[iwar] Historical posting


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Date: Mon, Jan 1, 1999
From: Fred Cohen 
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Subject: [iwar] Historical posting

          


            
 I agree.  Viruses, and other automated maliciousware has some similarities
to a relatively long-lived poison gas.  It is not a respecter of borders,
and is not (generally) cognizant of "intended targets".  A shift in the wind
can easily put the attacker (or their allies) on the receiving end.

A broad, central question is begged:  To what degree is it wise/unwise to
take the position that our security is enhanced when the "enemy" is made
vulnerable to instability?

Has this question been adequately revisited since the heydays of M.A.D.?
Is the equation changed where strategic reserves and throw-weights are
replaced with the elements of cyber warfare?  I've not heard much reasoned
discussion of this, and issue central to iwar I believe.

___tony___


At 04:14 PM 01/11/2000 -0500, Glenn Williamson wrote:
>From: "Glenn Williamson" grwilliamson@h...
>
>  I work for a company that provides anti-virus support/intrusion detection
>to approx 60,000 personal. The threat may not always be to China alone, once
>you get past the primary virus that is sent you have to begin looking at
>trojans and any other limits they may push.
>
>We all saw how quick TFN,Trinoo, and as Germans would say "Barbed Wire" made
>it through our systems. We have to look at the possiblity any virus/trojan
>they send can make it too the west in a matter of minutes, if they are fast
>spreading I don't think it would be too long before we feel it.
>
>The thought of any country attacking another country with
>virus/trojans/backdoors would possibly set off an event that the west has a
>hand in, not everyone who generates destructive/malicious programs
>lives/works in other parts of the world.
>
>China may be behind in virus protection which means the possibility of
>servers here in North America being on the receiving end of an e-mail with a
>virus is a possibility.
>
>"I hope it is only a I Dare You story.
>
>Glenn
>
>
>
>From: Leo, Ross Ross.Leo@c...
>To: 'iwar@onelist.com' iwar@onelist.com
>Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 11:35 AM
>Subject: RE: [iwar] News
>
>
> >From: "Leo, Ross" Ross.Leo@c...
> >
> >The statement by the Taiwanese smacks of bluster and the "I dare you...".
> >Given the long-standing history of "warring with words" between these two
> >China's, and the free-flow of threats therein contained, this is really a
> >non-news story.  It is news only because somebody used the magic word
> >"cyber-war".
> >
> >In spite of the strong probability that Mainland China has more and better
> >systems technology (especially in the Govt. and Military enclave) than the
> >West may realise, I have lingering doubts that it would be robust enough to
> >penetrate Taiwan's infrastructure, or withstand an initial or retaliatory
> >strike from Taiwan.  My experience shows that at least in some circles
> >within China antivirus measures are years behind the West.
> >
> >Of course, I could be wrong...
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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