Re: [iwar] what next? DDoS and then?


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No I did not forgot the " attack that gleaned the details of US supporters
of Israel, stole their credit cards.  sent them harrassing email, took some
of their funds, and was declared part of an economic war?"  I just named it
"Intrusion to Internal Networks" or "Intrusion to organizational Internet
Networks".

Although I agree that this is much wider in the case of the Middle-East
Cyber Conflict if we look at:
- The Internet as a massive propaganda tool.
- The Internet and private wan's as a "streets command and control system".
- The auctions attack.
- The Pro-Palestinian boycott campaign.
  And some more that I did not mentioned at the list before.


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----- Original Message -----
From: St. Clair, James 
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 2:52 PM
Subject: RE: [iwar] what next? DDoS and then?


> Concur, Fred - It is those portions of IW that do not attract attention
that
> are most damaging. The next step in a web site defacement is to simply
alter
> the data without any other noticeable changes, or corrupt a database
without
> outward claims of responsibility. While the overall premise may appear
> primitive, the fact remains that websites and web-enabled information are
> considered not only viable but strategically important targets. This is
> fundamental IW.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fred Cohen [mailto:fc@all.net]
> Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 7:40 AM
> To: iwar@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [iwar] what next? DDoS and then?
>
>
> Per the message sent by MAGLAN 1:
> ..
> > - Web and Mail Forgery
> > - Virus and Vandals implant
> > - Remote Sniffing
> > - Intrusion to Internal Networks
> > - Intrusion to organizational Internet Networks (DMZ hacking)
> > - Extensive Infrastructures Scanning
> > - Social Engineering
> > - Denial of Service
>
> Didn't you forget the attack that gleaned the details of US supporters
> of Israel, stole their credit cards.  sent them harrassing email, took
> some of their funds, and was declared part of an economic war?
>
> This represents something more than those listed above.  In particular,
> it is an attack on the international political and financial support of
> a country.
>
> Similarly, the defacements of PLO sites tended to be rather religiously
> insulting in nature and were designed to insight, not merely to deface.
> When you accuse the CIA of being the Central Stupidity Agency, that is
> defacement.  When you put up religiously offensive pictures on the site
> of a religiously organized/oriented group, that is something quite
> different.
>
> This is, of course, not the same as trying to really degrade a military
> operational capability, but then isn't that precisely what the PLO tried
> to do when it used denial of service against IDF network sites? And
> wasn't the targetting of PLO military leaders based on the locaitons of
> their cell phones when in use also in the realm of a military act?
>
> It seems to me that there are indeed information operations underway
> here, but that the ones getting more publicity are only the public face
> of the information conflict.  Perception management is fundamental to
> this and other similar conflicts.  The goal of the PLO is not military
> victory but rather political victory.  Going toe to toe with Israel will
> not get them what they want because they are outgunned.  Rather, they
> seek to engage other Arab nations in the conflict to leverage those
> nations' militaries against Israel, the wish to degrade support for
> Israel from abroad, and they seek to get international support for their
> own statehood.  This is the same plan followed by Israel at the end of
> WWII.
>
> I think that this could not be called anything other than an information
> war, with the physical part of the war acting only as a weapon of the
> information war.
>
> I bet there will be other comments on this...
>
> FC
> --
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