Re: [iwar] triangleboy, safeweb and cia


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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 06:48:35 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: [iwar] triangleboy, safeweb and cia
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Per the message sent by Vernon Stagg:

...
> Here's how it works:

...
> list, and blocks it. But a company called safeWeb has figured out a way of
> fooling the border guard computer. It's developed a program called Triangle
> Boy that, when downloaded, will enable freedom of speech activists all over
> the world to disguise their PCs to look like websites; benign, ordinary
> websites that are not on the prohibited list.

And downloading it will be a criminal act in China.

> The tricky thing is, these websites will actually be gateways to the entire
> Internet with all it has to offer, so Chinese people will be able to go in
> through these links and get to anything they want.

The tricky thing is, all of the Chinese people who would want to do that
will be caught and thrown in jail and 'reeducated'.  So all this will
really do is help the Chinese government ferret out the opposition, and
the reporter is helping them do it. 
...

> And what will happen when the Chinese government finds out about Triangle
> Boy? Hsu says the numbers will save them:

> "They may have to play a cat and mouse game where they go after all the
> Trianlge Boy clients around the world and try to block those IP addresses
> but I think that quickly becomes a very difficult thing for them if we get a
> lot of volunteers who deploy the product."

Nope - just go after the Chinese people who use it.

...
> "I think everybody has an interest in spreading democracy and freedom of
> speech and fighting censorship worldwide and this is a chance for anybody
> with just a standard PC and a cable modem plugged into the wall to help
> people that are half way around the world. And I think that appeals to a lot
> of people."

I think anybody who has this interest would try hard not to do it this way.

> Article in Cipher E41

> The CIA wants to use Triangle Boy, a program by SafeWeb, to mask its
> movements on the Internet, so it can gather information incognito. The
...

Just shows how desperate the CIA is for quality people...

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