Re: Antwort: Re: Antwort: [iwar] Officer Safety Alert Bulletin Officer needs assistance (fwd)
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 19:17:34 +0100 (MET)
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Subject: Re: Antwort: Re: Antwort: [iwar] Officer Safety Alert Bulletin Officer needs assistance (fwd)
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Fred, I have to agree with Markus on that, even if I find it perfectly ok to
discuss non-IT related topics on this list.
Propaganda and disinformation as IW means are very intelligence intensive, since
choosing the right target, developping a message that will work and verify that
it worked may prove to be difficult, especially if the target group is not of
the same cultural and language region as the "attackers". These are indeed the
sort of operations that the CIA (or any other intelligence organisation doing
covert operations) would/could do.
The leaflets guys you are talking about are the equivalent of the script kiddies
that are terrifying the Internet. The difference is that the do NOT have global
reach. Is it worth to know about it? Probably not... was it worth having this
discussion? Yes in my opinion
Regards
Rick
>> I guess you just don't understand the history of propaganda as an
>> information warfare method in the US
>
>Right. I am sorry. We had handouts in Europe as early as the 1910's and
>1920's,
>So I am a little surprised that it is new to the US. But so be it,
>I am willing to accept that lesson from you.
>
>Here in Europe, "politcally" motivated handouts are a common thing.
>It would result in "DoSing" the list if we reported every three
>misguided persons distributing newsletters. So, previous to your remark
>I considered it preferable to report only more widespread phenomena,
>e.g. co-ordinated handouts campaigns or similar.
>Again my apologies for being narrow minded.
>
>Regards, Markus
>
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