RE: [iwar] Re: thought activation

From: c.b r (fastflyer28@yahoo.com)
Date: 2001-06-10 02:03:39
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while it may seem like a less rigorus example, our
pals in the motion picture industry again might
disagree.  If you add in all types of war related
options, blackmail, indeed stealing a person is
possible if only is morphed form-the blackmailee adds
in the voice.  How much time do you have to prove to
the public it is all fake before the fog of war sets
in and then who are we going to believe.  Remember,
this is a hypothetical notion, but its already been
done-fortunatly minus the war.



--- Ozair <ozair_rasheed@geocities.com> wrote:
> I am not sure if it is possible to steal a
> personality, it may be
> possible to steal an image, but then personality is
> even more difficult
> unless... the person is so well known that he is
> duplicatable, even if
> every thing is duplicated the human perception is
> far more accurate to
> see the differences.
> 
> Therefore we can only talk about a person being
> duplicated, and perhaps
> not see it in reality. (twins not covered).
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Ozair
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c.b r [mailto:fastflyer28@yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 10:50 AM
> To: iwar@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [iwar] Re: thought activation
> 
> 
> Tony: I understand the matter of biometrics is a
> serious problem and  devices that are present
> generation are clearly far from perfect.  This
> leaves
> us all in a bad position, and it is hard to regain
> possession of your fingerprints, or voice as you had
> questioned.  All I
> was trying to do was extend your problem out to a
> dimension where the
> technology to steal even you personal "image" is
> available.
> 
> I had no intention of not answering your question of
> biometrics-AIAA is
> very interested in that matter at present-and I only
> hoped that theft of
> a person voice, or image would be considered.  Check
> the AIAA website on
> biometrics.Also check with OPSEC.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- "c.b r" <fastflyer28@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > OK Tony : While I may be new to this list, I am
> not
> > to
> > the matter of morphing you onto TV and having seen
> > voices faked-in this case -for purposes of the
> > motion
> > pix industry.  What you really need to worry about
> > is
> > being taken hostage and then see yourself on the
> > Beijing Chinese TV station denouncing this
> > government,
> > or giving away TS CODE info that would aid 3rd
> world
> > nations in the CBRN terrorism game, or WMD wanna
> > haves.
> > 
> > If you have seen the movie "Forest Gump", you have
> > already seen Tom Hanks supposidly having chats
> with
> > President Kennedy and Nixon-very convincing
> > stuff-that
> > was done by a friend who worked at the time for
> > Industrial Lights and Magic. Actually, he ran
> their
> > cgi special effects unit. He is now with SKG
> > Dreamworks and wrote a paper with a law professor
> > from
> > Harvard after he did his work on "Gump" that was
> > simply a one voice in the wilderness on a problem
> > that
> > is going to become a potential nightmare: The
> Abuse
> > of
> > Morphing technology by either nations, or
> > sub-national
> > actors to spread very convincing disinfirmation.
> > Many
> > more  discussions on the entire matter of
> protection
> > of identity are to come.The only 100% ID is your
> DNA
> > and while something that has begun to free people
> > unjustly convicted of a crime they never
> committed,
> > it
> > is-at present-the only exacting differentiator.
> > 
> > You, or someone else in this group from the Labs,
> or
> > some policy type like myself could end up on the
> > only
> > TV station in in Nation Z giving away secrets, or
> disinforming the 
> > American public that we are in a crisis and need
> to negotiate 
> > away.....take your pick and you are a "guest" of
> the nation who you 
> > are being
> > not so nicely pursuaded to speak for.
> > 
> > Want to make this easier, simply morph your head
> on
> > someone elses body and let the voice techs do
> their
> > magic. Worse case-BLACKMAIL-you are approached and
> > told that unless you give whoever the info they
> > want,
> > you become the anchor on the Iraqui 6pm news
> spewing
> > out disinformation for hours on end.
> > 
> > Stealing identities is frightening enough, but
> > forcing
> > a hostige with classified knowledge to make a
> major
> > TV
> > broadcast threatening the US, and you know about
> our
> > weapons capibility-that should scare the hell out
> of
> > you.  We are way past identity theft, now.  If you
> > grab the right person who has a high enough TV-Q
> > rating, then even sub-national actors with limited
> > means and TV through a third party nation who they
> > have befriended-an enemy of the US-and you have a
> > problem with profoundly nasty implications on your
> > hands. How about a staged "war crime" with video
> of
> > US
> > troops shooting and "killing" innocent citizens. 
> > When
> > a director says CUT, they all stand up and remove
> > the
> > "wounds" created by makeup artists playing for the
> > wrong nation.  Instant war crime-just add no death
> > and
> > some good video tape.  Video is very convincing
> > stuff.Dump the tape on the net with a fake human
> > rights abuse web site name,and as they say, one
> > picture is worth a thousand words.
> > 
> > I recognize that I have throw out several 
> possible
> > scenarios that can be done with technology that
> > already exists.  However, they all fall loosly
> into
> > the arena of the theft of person for use by ill
> > intentioned folks.
> > 
> > HAVE A NICE WEEKEND!
> >   
> > 
> > So, Tony-how are you going to defend against
> either
> > a
> > politico, or well known expert putting out
> > disinformation on TV-against their will- and how
> do
> > will you correct the situation, before nations who
> > actually believe your broadcast declair war?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Note-my spell checker is a mess. If I use it, you
> > will
> > have html tags all over this.  Spello's, I do
> > appologize for
> > 
> > --- Beth Russell sent this to up the ante on Tonys
> > question.  Find a technically and politically
> > feasible
> > answer and you are one step closer to the real
> > world.
> > 
> > This is from Tony:>
> > I wanted the list to think these problems
> > over,)Biometrics? How about kidnapping the head of
> > one
> > of the LABS for the above purposes, or the
> > Presidents
> > Science Advisor?
> > > 
> > Tony injured digit, or sore throat aside, how
> > quickly
> > could the US do a convincing job of refuting the
> 
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