Return-Path: <sentto-279987-1416-994863850-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:05:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 27871 invoked by uid 510); 11 Jul 2001 14:06:53 -0000 Received: from n3.groups.yahoo.com (HELO hj.egroups.com) (216.115.96.53) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 11 Jul 2001 14:06:53 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-1416-994863850-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.54] by hj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2001 15:04:10 -0000 X-Sender: Markus.Spindler@ascom.ch X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 11 Jul 2001 15:04:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 15198 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 14:53:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2001 14:53:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ascomax.hasler.ascom.ch) (139.79.135.1) by mta3 with SMTP; 11 Jul 2001 14:53:54 -0000 Received: from srvmailgate1.hasler.ascom.ch (srvmailgate1.hasler.ascom.ch [139.79.135.89]) by ascomax.hasler.ascom.ch (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f6BErpe09623 for <iwar@yahoogroups.com>; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:53:51 +0200 (MEST) To: iwar@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: <OFA2A3F8C7.B64027CF-ONC1256A86.004F4290@hasler.ascom.ch> X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on SrvMailGate1/Ascom(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 11.07.2001 16:53:51, Serialize complete at 11.07.2001 16:53:51 X-Filter-Version: 1.2 (ascomax) From: "Markus Spindler" <Markus.Spindler@ascom.ch> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:56:01 +0200 Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [iwar] What is a war? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > In the USA it has been a tradition that "War" occurred when Congress or > the President declared it to be so. Gary, all, that's the first one I consider appealing. War is when you consider yourself to be at war. Most of the time, however, the parties involved in a conflict will agree on war/not war. When do I consider myself to be part of a war? Personally, I would answer: As soon as tactical patterns of behaviour do not work out any more. War is imho strongly related to the use of strategic patterns. Now (maybe) there we are why it is all that confusing: One man's strategy is another man's tactic (Would be nice to have someone check how often which side considered itself to be at war in the indians vs. US conflicts throughout 19th century - some historians listening?). Having that said, to conduct a war you have to be able to use tactical and strategic patterns, and you have to be able to identify and attack/protect tactical and strategic targets. Some of the remaining question are: What kind of groups do we consider able to confront us with a strategy of theirs which forces us to activate the strategic part of our group's "conflict handler"? (And: what is "our group"/"my group"?) What do we consider to be strategic patterns with respect to information / IT infrastructure? (we are discussing IWar, aren't we) I suppose some of the things mentioned in the discussion do well qualify for strategy (collecting information for 32 years, then hitting all at once within three milliseconds etc) even with few people and short periods of high intensity, while on the other hand 2million hapless script kiddies trying to flood a firewall for 2 1/2 years isn't even terrorism, just annoying. So, what do you consider to be strategic patterns of behaviour? What could provoke/force you to define a strategy of yours in order to cope with a situation? Cheers, Markus [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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