Return-Path: <sentto-279987-1424-994970656-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:45:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30697 invoked by uid 510); 12 Jul 2001 19:46:42 -0000 Received: from mw.egroups.com (208.50.144.94) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 12 Jul 2001 19:46:42 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-1424-994970656-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.54] by mw.egroups.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2001 20:44:18 -0000 X-Sender: fastflyer28@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 12 Jul 2001 20:44:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 29547 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 20:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2001 20:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14502.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.224.65) by mta1 with SMTP; 12 Jul 2001 20:43:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20010712204339.89196.qmail@web14502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.78.123.161] by web14502.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:43:39 PDT To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200107121529.IAA17033@big.all.net> From: "c.b r" <fastflyer28@yahoo.com> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:43:39 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [iwar] Embassy-bug-a-thon. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RE: US Embassy in Moscow. We foolishly contracted with the then Soviets for pre-fab concrete and other pre-fab building materials to put together a cheaper new embassy. WE DID WHAT? Let an adversary bug the hell out of nearly anything they made for the building making it uninhabitable. Hence, the new Russian Embassy in DC sits new, but empty. That is what occurs when the State Dept tries to do such things without the help of the technical folks in the defense/intelligence business. The Russians tried a little too hard as their were differing type of bugs and "listening" devices all over the building. The project was started in the 1980's and due to the first bug sweep of our new location turning into a bug fest-a sort of diplomatic Mexican stand-off has occured. No one has a new embassy.We have "rehabed" part of our new building in Moscow, but the Russians are still stuffed into a building that is falling apart for they folly. At the same time, the land the Soviets were sold to build their new DC embassy on is at the highest elevation in all of DC and has a lines eye view of the White House which makes for even better listening for the SVRR-the new KGB. That is when, or if they move in. 2- The comment on conductive spray-on antennas is for real and depending on the success of testing, its formula will need to be very well protected by its maker lest it get into the wrong hands. While the chemicals that make it, for the most part, are avaialable on open market, a few are not. Its situation is similar to radar absorbing paint. We have it down to an artform. Other nations try, but I have heard of no reports of others getting close. The spray-on antennas will certainly make the job of spying easier and far more damaging. If as effective as DARPA has said, it will make the job of creating battlefield connectivity much easier than it has been. During the Gulf War, we went into an entire nation with 2 comms nodes. By the time we left, if you looked at a map of saudi with node overlay, it would have been impossible to count the number of nodes.The 3rd C(comms) in C4I is always a critical need in any battle. --- Fred Cohen <fc@all.net> wrote: > Source: > http://www.us.net/signal/CurrentIssue/July01/spray-july.html > > July 2001 )SIGNAL Magazine 2001 > Spray-on Antennas Make Their Mark > Experimental technologies offer elegant, inexpensive > solutions. > By Henry S. Kenyon > > Researchers are studying applications and materials > for creating radio > antennas that are sprayed onto a surface. Made from > commercially available > materials, these devices consist of a conductive > substance sprayed over a > template with a radio aerial pattern on it. The > antennas can be applied > directly to walls, windows or fabric shelters, > allowing military commanders > and relief workers to set up communications networks > quickly. > > Transporting, establishing and maintaining radio > systems for military and > humanitarian operations is often a logistics > balancing act because of weight > and space considerations. The ability to use any > convenient surface as a > mount for an aerial provides planners with > additional flexibility when > deploying in areas that are devastated or lack > infrastructure. The Defense > Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), > Arlington, Virginia, is > considering a number of possible applications and > techniques for using > spray-on antennas. > > [FC - Those of you who know about "The Thing" - a > device placed by the > Soviets in the US embasy in Moscow - is this the > next opportunity for Things?] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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