Return-Path: <sentto-279987-1464-995979539-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Tue, 24 Jul 2001 06:00:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 29134 invoked by uid 510); 24 Jul 2001 12:01:45 -0000 Received: from n2.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.52) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 24 Jul 2001 12:01:45 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-1464-995979539-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.53] by hi.egroups.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2001 12:58:59 -0000 X-Sender: jsforza@isrisk.net X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 24 Jul 2001 12:58:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 49061 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 12:26:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2001 12:26:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout2-0.nyroc.rr.com) (24.92.226.121) by mta3 with SMTP; 24 Jul 2001 12:26:19 -0000 Received: from xcurrent (roc-24-169-96-20.rochester.rr.com [24.169.96.20]) by mailout2-0.nyroc.rr.com (8.11.2/RoadRunner 1.03) with SMTP id f6OCOtW18506 for <iwar@yahoogroups.com>; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:24:55 -0400 (EDT) To: <iwar@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <FMEBKCCNDNLCDGCDNJAOGEGHCAAA.jsforza@isrisk.net> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <B30A25E2D1D2D1118021006097C3AC630105D7FD@IS~CCOPO> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-eGroups-From: "John Sforza" <jsforza@isrisk.net> From: "John Sforza" <jsforza@rochester.rr.com> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:24:59 -0400 Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [iwar] 21 club Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >" Most of its members are without a clue on IWAR and cyber-terrorism, and >the firm which they ran have all been victums[sic] of cybers attacks already." Among those individuals with enough 'name' to be taken seriously by private and government entities, who hasn't had an experience with some form of cyber attack. As to 'clue' these individual's need to lead the process - not fight in the trenches and that requires vision. Perhaps a new set of viewpoints would be productive. On the other hand I am reminded of the poem 'The Blind Men and the Elephant' by John Godfrey Saxe (with credit of course to it's Indian origin), it will be very difficult (Fred, how about a probability model of group consensus here) if not impossible to define and drive an effective cyber security policy with out a dominant leader and I am not sure that Condoleezza Rice can provide that among other responsibilities. I also have reservations regarding an 'all Federal' group, let's let everybody play. Bottom line - 21 individuals in a room is either a cocktail party or an unlawful assembly. -----Original Message----- From: St. Clair, James [mailto:jstclair@vredenburg.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 07:30 To: 'iwar@yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: [iwar] news Per the msg from e.r. - " Most of its members are without a clue on IWAR and cyber-terrorism, and the firm which they ran have all been victums[sic] of cybers attacks already." ..and your justification for this opinion is...? What substantiates the idea "21 CEOs" are worse then what currently exists? Jim ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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