Return-Path: <sentto-279987-1516-996609129-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Tue, 31 Jul 2001 12:53:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3211 invoked by uid 510); 31 Jul 2001 18:54:33 -0000 Received: from n6.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.56) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 31 Jul 2001 18:54:33 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-1516-996609129-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.52] by hm.egroups.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2001 19:52:09 -0000 X-Sender: dart@nersc.gov X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 31 Jul 2001 19:52:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 65458 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2001 19:51:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 31 Jul 2001 19:51:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fangg.lbl.gov) (128.3.1.103) by mta3 with SMTP; 31 Jul 2001 19:51:35 -0000 Received: from usul.nersc.gov (usul [192.168.1.115]) by fangg.lbl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 269681F53 for <iwar@yahoogroups.com>; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 12:51:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usul.nersc.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by usul.nersc.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B1302B for <iwar@yahoogroups.com>; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 12:51:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 30 Jul 2001 20:32:48 PDT. <20010731033248.48729.qmail@web14506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <20010731195131.1B1302B@usul.nersc.gov> From: Eli Dart <dart@nersc.gov> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 12:51:31 -0700 Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [iwar] news - on the use of a rant Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In reply to "e.r." <fastflyer28@yahoo.com> : > You can either be part of the problem, or part of the solution. Agreed. > Sorry > for my rant back guys, but this issue has me steamed right now. You and me both. > Didn't > mean to get to intense. No harm done (at least to me :). Since I am not in a position to make policy (other than in a small corner of the Internet), the only thing I can do is practice what I preach, defend myself, and make it difficult for my infrastructure to be used as a weapon against others. I do speak my mind on these issues to those with more say in policy than I, but until the national debate over "hackers" takes on the additional element of why our infrastructures are so fragile, we are going to be chasing our tails. Anyone out there have the ear of a major media organization? You said that it's time to act -- those who have the visibility or the contacts need to influence the debate. We talk about iwar here -- this is a chance to put theory into practice, and get something changed _before_ we suffer a meltdown. --eli [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/kgFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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