Return-Path: <sentto-279987-1604-997776806-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Tue, 14 Aug 2001 01:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 14169 invoked by uid 510); 14 Aug 2001 08:13:48 -0000 Received: from n24.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.74) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 14 Aug 2001 08:13:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-1604-997776806-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.54] by ef.egroups.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2001 08:13:26 -0000 X-Sender: ozair_rasheed@geocities.com X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 14 Aug 2001 08:13:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 86899 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2001 08:13:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2001 08:13:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO radius.wol.net.pk) (208.242.128.11) by mta1 with SMTP; 14 Aug 2001 08:13:23 -0000 Received: from Ozair ([208.242.128.175]) by radius.wol.net.pk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id QAA13711 for <iwar@yahoogroups.com>; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:05:47 +0500 (PKT) To: <iwar@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <002201c12498$f6d0ea00$6301a8c0@Ozair> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <200108131330.GAA13757@big.all.net> From: "Mohammad Ozair Rasheed" <ozair_rasheed@geocities.com> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:13:07 +0500 Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [iwar] Staganography Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, I just a casual bystander at the busy intersection called The Staganography and after reading all the mails on the subject, it seems to me that there really is nothing new or interesting about this. All we have is a piece of news item and a lot of hulla ballu on the Staganography. It seems to me that the news items itself was IWAR, considering the different kinds of obtuse and reflex viewpoints that it generated. Regards, Ozair -----Original Message----- From: Fred Cohen [mailto:fc@all.net] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 6:31 PM To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [iwar] Staganography Per the message sent by e.r.: > Unless the "trade craft" you speak of is something you learned in > summer camp, I think there is a fair amount of understanding that > tradecraft such as it has been discussed are some of the techiques > that ... You misunderstand. I know lots about tradecraft - the question was: What tradecraft did who invent? Steganography has been used by many folks over a long time frame. Thousands of years. And it has evolved with technologies all along. Letters have included microdots since photography got to the point where it could do decent quality size reduction. Radio broadcasts contained steganography since there was radio. No doubt so does TV. Computer networks had steganagraphic content passed through them before the Internet existed. The Internet started to have steganography soon after it was first used - albeit not in the form typically seen today. FC > --- Fred Cohen <fc@all.net> wrote: > > Per the message sent by 7Pillars Partners: > > > > > I'm not saying we invented stego, but this particular > > > -tradecraft-. > > MW > > > > What specific tradecraft is that, and who is the 'we' you are > > talking about? > > > > FC > > > > --This communication is confidential to the parties it is intended > > to > > serve-- > > Fred Cohen Fred Cohen & Associates.........tel/fax:925-454-0171 > > fc@all.net The University of New Haven.....http://www.unhca.com/ > > http://all.net/ Sandia National Laboratories....tel:925-294-2087 > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > ------------------ > http://all.net/ > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --This communication is confidential to the parties it is intended to serve-- Fred Cohen Fred Cohen & Associates.........tel/fax:925-454-0171 fc@all.net The University of New Haven.....http://www.unhca.com/ http://all.net/ Sandia National Laboratories....tel:925-294-2087 ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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