Return-Path: <sentto-279987-2662-1002140967-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Wed, 03 Oct 2001 13:32:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16852 invoked by uid 510); 3 Oct 2001 20:31:10 -0000 Received: from n12.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.62) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 3 Oct 2001 20:31:10 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-2662-1002140967-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.1.223] by n12.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2001 20:31:05 -0000 X-Sender: fc@big.all.net X-Apparently-To: iwar@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 3 Oct 2001 20:29:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 48534 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2001 20:29:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.223 with QMQP; 3 Oct 2001 20:29:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO big.all.net) (65.0.156.78) by mta2 with SMTP; 3 Oct 2001 20:31:03 -0000 Received: (from fc@localhost) by big.all.net (8.9.3/8.7.3) id NAA18914 for iwar@onelist.com; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 13:31:03 -0700 Message-Id: <200110032031.NAA18914@big.all.net> To: iwar@onelist.com (Information Warfare Mailing List) Organization: I'm not allowed to say X-Mailer: don't even ask X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] From: Fred Cohen <fc@all.net> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 13:31:03 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [iwar] [fc:MUSLIM.NATIONS.SAY.MIDEAST.CRISIS.SPURS.TERRORISM] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [FC - Eventually, you get some articles that tell what it's really all about. This seems to me to be one of the ones that starts to get at the issue. In essence, the recent rhetoric from the middle east has said - repeatedly - from many quarters - that while we don't want you (the US) to bomb us, we will bomb you - as a group - making it hard to pin down and not really supporting your efforts to stop it - until you give the Palestinans Jerusalem and eliminate the Israel as a state. (This last part is always cloaked in one way or another, but the PA has refused everything short of it again and again and the Arab league has always ultimately supported them in this issue.) Bush has (just yesterday) supported this in a subtle way by taking a step in the 'recognize the Palestinan state' direction. His rhetoric at home is hard line but his diplomacy is baseically to forgive debts in the billions to anyone who appears to support US efforts, yield to the PA demands one at a time over time, and send a hundred billion or so, mostly to big businesses, to 'stimulate the ecomony' - the trickly down effect if you recall.] Muslim nations say Mideast crisis spurs terrorism By Evelyn Leopold UNITED NATIONS, Oct 2, (Reuters) ***** - Several Middle East nations said on Tuesday that global terrorism would never be solved before the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was settled, with Libya and Iran accusing Israel of "state terrorism." Palestinian envoy Nasser al-Kidwa, however, gave a relatively conciliatory address to the U.N. General Assembly, during its week-long debate on counter-terrorism in response to the Sept. 11 attacks against the United States. "We must solve the issue of Palestine in a just way, thus ending the source of huge anger and despair in the region," he said, adding that settling the conflict in itself would not end terrorism but was a "necessary condition" towards that goal. "We have to look into the negative positions and feelings of millions of Arabs and Muslims towards the United States and some other Western nations," which provided a breeding ground for extremist groups, al-Kidwa said. Al-Kidwa made no reference to Tuesday's White House statement endorsing the idea of a Palestinian state. Condemning the "diabolic" Sept. 11 attacks, he urged Washington to rethink policies that caused "anger and despair" in the Middle East. All delegates expressed condolences and condemnation of the attacks in New York and Washington. "The terrorists did not strike at the World Trade Center. They struck at the world," Pakistan's U.N. Ambassador Shamshad Ahmad said. Iran's deputy foreign minister, Mohammad Javad Zarif, told the assembly that "the credibility of the campaign against terrorism is seriously undermined when policies and practices designed to instill terror and fear among the entire Palestinian people receive acquiescing silence." At the same time he said "resistance to foreign occupation and state terrorism is conveniently demonized. Libya's U.N. Ambassador Abuzed Omar Dorda spoke for more than an hour, saying that not only Israel but the United States practiced terrorism when it bombed his country in April 1996. "The most brutal terrorist occupation is that which is practiced against the Palestinian people," he said. Dorda also said Libya was first to point out the dangers of Osama bin Laden, now suspected by Washington as the mastermind behind the attacks on the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon in Washington. "Who cooperated with us then? Nobody," Dorda said. And he said Britain suppressed evidence that would cleared two alleged Libyan intelligence agents, convicted of the mid-air 1988 bombing over Lockerbie, Scotland, in which 270 people, mostly Americans, were killed. "They know perfectly know that they were as innocent of this crime as the wolf was innocent of Joseph's blood," Dorda said. Several fault lines appeared to emerge in the debate -- whether the United States was authorized to use force by the United Nations and the definition of what a "terrorist" is. Both the General Assembly and the 15-member Security Council moved quickly after the attacks to condemn them in separate resolutions. The council then adopted late on Friday a sweeping resolution that mandates all U.N. member governments to freeze the finances and control the movements of anyone involved in terrorist acts. The council's resolutions nearly but do not directly authorize military strikes as members did in 1990 to drive Iraqi troops out of Kuwait and interpretations differ. For Ireland's Foreign Minister Brian Cowen, as with other Western nations, however, this was no longer a question. "Who reasonably argue that the US does not have the right to defend itself, in a targeted and proportionate manner, by bringing to justice those who planned, perpetrated and assisted in these outrages and who continue to threaten international peace and security?" he said. The United Nations also has a dozen treaties on terrorism with an India-sponsored comprehensive convention currently under discussion. But one obstacle has been the definition of terrorism, with fears that anyone opposing an oppressive government could be branded a terrorist. Iran's Zarif said there needed to be "objective criteria, which would enable the international community, to identify and combat terrorism regardless of its victims or culprits." "It is not acceptable that patterns of alliance rather than actual engagement in terrorist activities would become the determining factor." Zarif said." 19:34 10-02-01 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Pinpoint the right security solution for your company- Learn how to add 128- bit encryption and to authenticate your web site with VeriSign's FREE guide! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yQix2C/33_CAA/yigFAA/kgFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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