Return-Path: <sentto-279987-2877-1002909443-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:58:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13613 invoked by uid 510); 12 Oct 2001 17:57:12 -0000 Received: from n25.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.75) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 12 Oct 2001 17:57:12 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-2877-1002909443-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.1.224] by n25.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2001 17:57:24 -0000 X-Sender: azb@llnl.gov X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0); 12 Oct 2001 17:57:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 93317 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2001 17:56:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.224 with QMQP; 12 Oct 2001 17:56:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-2.llnl.gov) (128.115.250.82) by mta2 with SMTP; 12 Oct 2001 17:56:32 -0000 Received: from poptop.llnl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-2.llnl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3/LLNL-gateway-1.0) with ESMTP id KAA01392 for <iwar@yahoogroups.com>; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:56:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from catalyst.llnl.gov (catalyst.llnl.gov [128.115.222.68]) by poptop.llnl.gov (8.8.8/LLNL-3.0.2/pop.llnl.gov-5.1) with ESMTP id KAA29805 for <iwar@yahoogroups.com>; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:56:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011012103207.00b7a8c0@poptop.llnl.gov> X-Sender: e048786@poptop.llnl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20011012172348.13134.qmail@web14508.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011012091434.02acc9f0@mail-dnh.mv.net> From: Tony Bartoletti <azb@llnl.gov> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:58:02 -0700 Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [iwar] al-Jazeera Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At 10:23 AM 10/12/01 -0700, you wrote: >I knew it was being aired by a 3rd country-Qatar, (at present, the main >TV station in Kabul, Afganistan is off the air-bombed)but they still do >show most of Bin Laden's commentary. Prior to the current debate over airing bin Laden's missives (for fear they may be carrying hidden instructions,) what would mainstream American media have done if they had been receiving these materials directly? Air them, I imagine. While mainstream muslim/arab peoples denounce the WTC attack, they have not been as quick to accept that this was a bin Laden operation, due to their more local view of world events. So airing bin Laden materials, even regularly, is not seen as a fundamentally wrong thing to do, especially in that (I understand) they air many viewpoints in conflicted debates. That is a healthy thing. It is not the job of al Jazeeri to be the Voice Of America. And while it is nonesense (in my view) to think that bin Laden has been motivated to act because of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, the pools of discontent that have given rise to his ilk, and only begrudging denunciations of his act, have not formed in a complete vacuum. I listen to some US leaders speak of astonishment that others dislike us so. Do they believe that such evil forces like al Queda erupt in the world due to sunspots? I support the President's "you are with us or against us" stance on terrorism, but we will eventually be forced to deal with fuzzier issues to "drain the swamps". In that latter fight, stark polarizations will often be counterproductive. If this is really a fight of "good against evil", we must recognize that both exist in every human heart, and thus in even the best of foreign policies. ____tony____ >--- Brian McWilliams <brian@pc-radio.com> wrote: > > Al-Jazeera is in Doha, Qatar, although they do have a bureau in > > Afghanistan. > > > > Web site is at ALJAZEERA.NET > > > > More info on how it's being relied on by US TV networks is in this > > article: > > > > http://news.excite.com/news/r/011011/04/television-aljazeera > > > > Brian > > > > > > At 12:49 AM 10/12/01, you wrote: > > >TONY- > > >AL JAZZ is an afgan station which freely lets bin laden makes > > threats > > >and put on clips of his "phiolsophy"-AKA-death to the infidels-you > > and > > >me. It is AIR BIN LADEN when he wants. Not to productive for the > > >greater good. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. I think they have > > a > > >web site. > > >cheers,ER > > >--- Tony Bartoletti <azb@llnl.gov> wrote: > > > > At 11:59 AM 10/11/01 -0700, you wrote: > > > > >I have a suggestion for hackers that you refer to. These bad > > guys > > > > are > > > > >unlikly to have money in Saudi and if you mess with the banks, > > you > > > > can > > > > >destabilize that gov't. They have a small fundementalist > > population > > > > >that supports the Taliban and would love to see the royal family > > > > fall > > > > >from power. Go after the webs of "al jazzerra"-a pro Bin Laden > > and > > > > >taliban TV station, or other info put out by "al queda". > > > > > > > > I was under the impression that al Jazeera was a "relatively > > > > moderate" > > > > Arabic station. Secretary of State Colin Powell was invited, and > > > > gave an > > > > interview on al Jazeera that was aired recently on BBC. > > > > > > > > Sure, compared to CNN, they will appear extremist to most US > > viewers. > > > > > > > > But I am led to understand that they air both pro and anti > > > > Arabic-Government views. > > > > > > > > Correct me if I'm mistaken. > > > > > > > > ____tony____ > > > > > > > > > > > > Tony Bartoletti 925-422-3881 <azb@llnl.gov> > > > > Information Operations, Warfare and Assurance Center > > > > Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory > > > > Livermore, CA 94551-9900 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > > >http://personals.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > >------------------ > > >http://all.net/ > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! 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