Return-Path: <sentto-279987-2989-1003203253-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:35:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 9128 invoked by uid 510); 16 Oct 2001 03:33:56 -0000 Received: from n16.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.66) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 16 Oct 2001 03:33:56 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-2989-1003203253-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.53] by n16.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2001 03:34:12 -0000 X-Sender: fastflyer28@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 16 Oct 2001 03:34:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 49994 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2001 03:34:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2001 03:34:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14508.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.224.71) by mta2 with SMTP; 16 Oct 2001 03:34:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20011016033411.41329.qmail@web14508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.78.178.39] by web14508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:34:11 PDT To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <72222DC86846D411ABD300A0C9EB08A1079C2FD6@csoc-mail-box.csoconline.com> From: "e.r." <fastflyer28@yahoo.com> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:34:11 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [iwar] Clash of interests Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I second that. That form of warfare never has a good outcome. --- "Leo, Ross" <Ross.Leo@csoconline.com> wrote: > Point well taken, Tony. > > Ross > "An eye-for-an-eye only leads to more blindness." - M. Atwood > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Bartoletti [mailto:azb@llnl.gov] > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 14:14 > To: iwar@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [iwar] Clash of interests > > > I think the article in question (by S.A. Abidi) seeks to go beyond a > mere > tallying of point-like events, attacks, etc. It is not simply "the > USA is > bad", or that no other nation has done bad things to the US. Rather, > it is > that the ramifications of super-power policies, throughout history, > tend to > exhibit a large degree of indifference, if not hostility, to the > plight of > those whose resources are seen as "vital interest" to a given > superpower. > > The U.S. has a great task ahead of it, if it is to convey to the rest > of > the world that we do not ascribe to a naked "might makes right" > philosophy. I happen to believe that the majority of Americans do > not > support such a philosophy, but the translation of a people's will > into > geopolitical endeavors is rarely a straightforward process. > > I take the gist of the article to say that as a system of people > become a > powerful and largely unchallenged empire, the comforted masses tend > to > become dangerously detached from the specifics of worldwide > activities > undertaken in their name. > > I would bet that since September 11, the number of Americans who can > name > the countries bordering Afganistan has risen 10,000 percent. > Similarly, > the amount of education regarding the histories of this region, and > many > related conflicts, is leaping by similar magnitudes. Perhaps if such > > attention were paid to global issues as a matter of course, we would > all be > better off. > > ____tony____ > > > At 07:46 AM 10/15/01 -0500, you wrote: > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >Well, now isn't that an interesting and quite selective, not to > mention > >naive, view of things. No mention of all the bombing attacks against > the > >west coast of the USA by the Empire of Japan during WWII, for > starters. > >Was there a point to this particular diatribe beyond "the USA is > bad/we > >should return to the 50's"? > > > >- -----Original Message----- > >From: Ozair Rasheed [mailto:ozair_rasheed@geocities.com] > >Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 9:18 PM > >To: iwar@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [iwar] Clash of interests > > > > > > > > <http://www.dawn.com/weekly/dmag/dmag1.htm> > >http://www.dawn.com/weekly/dmag/dmag1.htm > > > > > >Clash of interests > > > > > >By S.A. ABIDI > > > > American interest has always remained poles apart from world > >interest. It is high time > >Washington took a cue from history. > > > > <more snipped> > > Tony Bartoletti 925-422-3881 <azb@llnl.gov> > Information Operations, Warfare and Assurance Center > Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory > Livermore, CA 94551-9900 > > > > > > ------------------ > http://all.net/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------ Yahoo! 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