Return-Path: <sentto-279987-3240-1003761869-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 22 Oct 2001 07:46:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26781 invoked by uid 510); 22 Oct 2001 14:44:00 -0000 Received: from n6.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.56) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 22 Oct 2001 14:44:00 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-3240-1003761869-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.1.222] by n6.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2001 14:44:30 -0000 X-Sender: fc@red.all.net X-Apparently-To: iwar@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 22 Oct 2001 14:44:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 99174 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2001 14:44:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.222 with QMQP; 22 Oct 2001 14:44:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO red.all.net) (65.0.156.78) by mta3 with SMTP; 22 Oct 2001 14:44:23 -0000 Received: (from fc@localhost) by red.all.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f9MEie305040 for iwar@onelist.com; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 07:44:40 -0700 Message-Id: <200110221444.f9MEie305040@red.all.net> To: iwar@onelist.com (Information Warfare Mailing List) Organization: I'm not allowed to say X-Mailer: don't even ask X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] From: Fred Cohen <fc@all.net> X-Yahoo-Profile: fcallnet Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 07:44:40 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [iwar] [fc:Victory.Not.Certain,.Rumsfeld.Warns] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chicago Tribune Victory Not Certain, Rumsfeld Warns By Michael Kilian Tribune national correspondent WHITEMAN AIR FORCE BASE, Mo. -- Warning that the outcome of the war on terrorism remains uncertain, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said Friday that the U.S. would not declare victory in Afghanistan until "the Taliban and Al Qaeda are gone." With U.S. Army Rangers battling the Taliban in southern Afghanistan in the first commando raid of the war, Rumsfeld flew to Missouri to visit other front-line troops--the crews of the B-2 stealth bombers that have been flying long-range missions from their home base in west-central Missouri. Rumsfeld again refused to discuss any operations that involved U.S. special operations forces, which have been gathering strength in and around Afghanistan for the last several weeks. But he acknowledged for the first time that American air strikes in Afghanistan were being coordinated with troops on the ground. Speaking to reporters accompanying him on his flight to Missouri, the defense secretary explained: "Certain things are being done from the air. Certain things, from time to time, will be done in coordination with the ground." Rumsfeld warned that the U.S. faced a formidable foe in the Taliban and its terrorist allies and that their defeat should not be taken for granted. "It is unwise to think that the outcome [of the anti-terrorist campaign] is determined," Rumsfeld said. "The people on the ground are really tough. They have been fighting for a long time. They're survivors. They know the terrain. They know how to move around in that terrain." Though questions have been raised about the sometimes minimal air support U.S. warplanes have been giving anti-Taliban Northern Alliance troops in northern Afghanistan, Rumsfeld told reporters that it would be easier to persuade such indigenous groups to oppose the Taliban than for the U.S. and its coalition allies to defeat it directly. "Our interest is in persuading them that the tide is going to go our way," he said. "That the foreign elements of the Al Qaeda that have come into their country at the request of the Taliban and have been spreading terrorism across the globe are doing the Afghan people no good. That they ultimately are going to lose and that the people who have been quiet might want to get less quiet on our behalf." Emphasizing the severity of the challenge, the defense secretary also noted that if the anti-terrorism campaign fails, the U.S. could face the possibility of a catastrophe. Speaking to some 2,500 Air Force personnel at this base, Rumsfeld said that the administration is addressing not only the recent anthrax scare but the possibility of attacks using smallpox and other biological or chemical weapons against Americans. He noted that "six, seven or eight" nations friendly to terrorists possess biological and chemical weapons and are seeking nuclear arms. He warned that hundreds of thousand of people could be in peril unless terrorists either directly supported by or allied with those nations are put out of business. "It's just urgently important that we be successful," he said. In terms of the fighting in Afghanistan, he equated that success with the total elimination of the enemy. The military role in Afghanistan will be over when the Taliban and Al Qaeda are gone, he said. "That's what this is about." Rumsfeld likened the missions of the long-range Stealth bombers to the role of the warplanes that struck Japan after the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor. "The terrorists thought they could strike fear in America's heartland," Rumsfeld said, standing in front of one of the bat-shaped bombers that had taken part in the initial air attacks on the Taliban. "But, through you, the heartland strikes back." Flying more than 40 hours non-stop and refueling en route, crews have flown B-2s from Whiteman to attack Taliban and Al Qaeda targets six times since the air war against the terrorists and their Afghan sponsors began nearly two weeks ago. Rumsfeld alluded to the fact that 5,000-pound "bunker buster" bombs have wiped out caves in Afghanistan used as hideouts and munitions storage facilities. "You know about those caves," he said. One of the big bombers took off from Whiteman just before Rumsfeld spoke, but it was not known whether it was on a mission to Central Asia. The aerial bombardment resumed early Saturday in Afghanistan, with the Kabul area hit by at least eight large explosions. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Pinpoint the right security solution for your company- Learn how to add 128- bit encryption and to authenticate your web site with VeriSign's FREE guide! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yQix2C/33_CAA/yigFAA/kgFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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