Return-Path: <sentto-279987-3519-1004192857-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Sat, 27 Oct 2001 07:30:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20870 invoked by uid 510); 27 Oct 2001 14:27:01 -0000 Received: from n16.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.66) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 27 Oct 2001 14:27:01 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-3519-1004192857-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.1.224] by n16.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2001 14:27:30 -0000 X-Sender: ozair_rasheed@geocities.com X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 27 Oct 2001 14:27:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 52613 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2001 14:27:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.224 with QMQP; 27 Oct 2001 14:27:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.isd.wol.net.pk) (208.242.129.253) by mta1 with SMTP; 27 Oct 2001 14:27:35 -0000 Received: from ozair ([65.202.13.76]) by mail.isd.wol.net.pk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id TAA16103 for <iwar@yahoogroups.com>; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 19:25:27 +0500 (PKT) To: "Info War" <iwar@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <000901c15ef5$02089580$6301a8c0@crestech.com> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011026104147.00c0e100@poptop.llnl.gov> From: "Mohammad Ozair Rasheed" <ozair_rasheed@geocities.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: ozair_rasheed Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 19:38:02 +0500 Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [iwar] [fc:Arab.world.poverty.--.whose.fault?] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was not talking about history :). Regards, Ozair -----Original Message----- From: Tony Bartoletti [mailto:azb@llnl.gov] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 10:53 PM To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [iwar] [fc:Arab.world.poverty.--.whose.fault?] While I largely agreed with the article, it may be a bit too broad to say "None but the Muslims". Over the centuries, many countries that were formerly monarchies have become democratic, along paths that vary in bloodshed. As (some) other parts of the world become democratic and "modern", there is pressure to follow suit. This is good. When a non-democratic country is suddenly discovered to possess a resource "greatly valuable" to the powerful democracies, is it fair for these democracies to say, "We simply got the best (financial) deal we could for the resource, dealing with the ruling regime?" For if the people (the masses) of that region had aspired to better lives, and such improvements are not forthcoming, their ability to effect change must now face a ruling regime far better equipped with money and arms to suppress dissent. Is this not the root conundrum? ____tony____ At 09:33 AM 10/26/01 +0500, you wrote: >Quite true. None but the Muslims are to be blamed for their current >state. > >Regards, >Ozair > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Fred Cohen [mailto:fc@all.net] >Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 6:23 AM >To: Information Warfare Mailing List >Subject: [iwar] [fc:Arab.world.poverty.--.whose.fault?] > > > Larry Elder > October 25, 2001 > Arab world poverty -- whose fault? [snip] Tony Bartoletti 925-422-3881 <azb@llnl.gov> Information Operations, Warfare and Assurance Center Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Livermore, CA 94551-9900 ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Get your FREE VeriSign guide to security solutions for your web site: encrypting transactions, securing intranets, and more! http://us.click.yahoo.com/UnN2wB/m5_CAA/yigFAA/kgFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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