Return-Path: <sentto-279987-3654-1004491999-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:34:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31098 invoked by uid 510); 31 Oct 2001 01:32:35 -0000 Received: from n21.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.71) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 31 Oct 2001 01:32:35 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-3654-1004491999-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.1.224] by n21.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2001 01:32:06 -0000 X-Sender: fc@red.all.net X-Apparently-To: iwar@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 31 Oct 2001 01:33:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 19255 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2001 01:33:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.224 with QMQP; 31 Oct 2001 01:33:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO red.all.net) (65.0.156.78) by mta1 with SMTP; 31 Oct 2001 01:33:18 -0000 Received: (from fc@localhost) by red.all.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f9V1XPn19273 for iwar@onelist.com; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:33:25 -0800 Message-Id: <200110310133.f9V1XPn19273@red.all.net> To: iwar@onelist.com (Information Warfare Mailing List) Organization: I'm not allowed to say X-Mailer: don't even ask X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] From: Fred Cohen <fc@all.net> X-Yahoo-Profile: fcallnet Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:33:24 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [iwar] [fc:FBI.Terror.Detentions.Questioned] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FBI Terror Detentions Questioned By Declan McCullagh and Ben Polen 2:00 a.m. Oct. 30, 2001 PST WASHINGTON -- Civil liberties groups are demanding that the U.S. government disclose information about hundreds of people who have been detained after the Sep. 11 attacks. At a press conference on Capitol Hill on Monday, the groups said it's time for the Justice Department to provide at least some details on the continuing investigation, such as how many people are detained, who has been charged with terrorism, and whether they've had access to attorneys. Kate Martin, director of the Center for National Security Studies, said: "While certain aspects of the FBI investigation into the terrorist attacks need to be secret, we do not live in a country where the government can keep secret who they arrest, where they are being held, or the charges against them." Martin wrote a request under the Freedom of Information Act signed by 21 groups and sent to the Justice Department on Monday. It requests the names of anyone detained in relation with a terrorist investigation, information about what judges have handed down secrecy orders, and government policies that deal with withholding information from the public. Earlier this month, Attorney General John Ashcroft snubbed journalists and public interest groups in a memo, saying that the Bush administration would defend federal agencies' decisions to withhold records if they had any "sound legal basis" for doing so. On Sunday, The New York Times reported that of the approximately 977 people detained, some were nabbed by FBI agents after making phone calls applauding the attacks against the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. So far, Ashcroft has not responded to repeated requests for information. On Oct. 17, the American Civil Liberties Union sent a letter to the attorney general asking for information on the detainees, but he did not reply. On Friday, ACLU representatives met with FBI director Robert Mueller -- but had no better luck. ACLU lobbyist Greg Nojeim said: "I don't think we've been given a reason (for the detainments). We didn't get a response from the attorney general or the FBI." The people in jail appear to be there for two reasons: violations of immigration status or material witness warrants. Both permit long periods of detention with minimal public oversight, and the anti-terrorism law that President Bush signed last week extends police powers in this area. The Department of Justice is citing a federal judge's order to seal warrants dealing with material witnesses. Justice Department spokesman Dan Nelson said: "There are privacy guidelines that preclude us from releasing immigration information, that could reasonably be expected to constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy. The material witness warrants are grand jury information and are under seal." That explanation didn't satisfy the Center for National Security Studies. Morton Halperin, an attorney for the group, said: "There is a right to know who was arrested and it certainly contains people who were arrested under the rubric of material witness warrants.... If they're under seal then what we've asked for is the evidence of the order of the sealing. If they're under seal it's because the government asked them to be, and the question is what was the basis for that." Halperin said his group and others are willing to argue their Freedom of Information Act request before a federal judge if the government refuses. Material witness warrants typically permit the arrest of someone who may have valuable information about a crime. A federal judge can order such warrants if a prosecutor shows the person poses a serious flight risk. Once material witnesses are arrested, they are entitled to a judicial hearing within 48 hours and can then be jailed until they testify. The Center for National Security Studies' Martin said: "Material witnesses are entitled to counsel and some kind of a judicial hearing. We are not sure how long they can keep them in custody. This is a little-used area of the law." The extraordinary public attention focused on this investigation has increased pressure on police to produce results. David Cole, a Georgetown University law professor who is representing the Center for Constitutional Rights, said: "No doubt pressure exists on law enforcement to be over-inclusive in this time." Noting that the government's actions were not unprecedented, Cole pointed to the Palmer Raids of 1919, in which the politically motivated bombing of then-Attorney General Mitchell Palmer's house precipitated aggressive police action against immigrants, leading to the arrest of 6,000 people and the deportation of 500. "Maybe, as Ashcroft said, the FBI is following the letter of the law," Cole said. "We can't be sure unless we can see for ourselves." In making their requests to the government, the groups conceded that some information could be protected as marked under "confidential," but argued that an overwhelming amount of information should be released. Besides the ACLU, other organizations that have signed onto the FOIA request include the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the Electronic Privacy Information Center, the Arab American Institute and the Arab-American Anti-Discrimination Committee. The groups say they expect an answer from the Justice Department by the end of the week. At a press conference on Monday, Ashcroft said he had received credible information about terrorist attacks in the near future. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Get your FREE VeriSign guide to security solutions for your web site: encrypting transactions, securing intranets, and more! http://us.click.yahoo.com/UnN2wB/m5_CAA/yigFAA/kgFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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