Return-Path: <sentto-279987-3702-1004534191-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Wed, 31 Oct 2001 05:18:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 26545 invoked by uid 510); 31 Oct 2001 13:15:50 -0000 Received: from n30.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.80) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 31 Oct 2001 13:15:50 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-3702-1004534191-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.1.221] by n30.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2001 13:16:32 -0000 X-Sender: fc@red.all.net X-Apparently-To: iwar@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 31 Oct 2001 13:16:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 92725 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2001 13:16:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.221 with QMQP; 31 Oct 2001 13:16:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO red.all.net) (65.0.156.78) by mta2 with SMTP; 31 Oct 2001 13:16:31 -0000 Received: (from fc@localhost) by red.all.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f9VDGdg11538 for iwar@onelist.com; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 05:16:39 -0800 Message-Id: <200110311316.f9VDGdg11538@red.all.net> To: iwar@onelist.com (Information Warfare Mailing List) Organization: I'm not allowed to say X-Mailer: don't even ask X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] From: Fred Cohen <fc@all.net> X-Yahoo-Profile: fcallnet Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 05:16:39 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [iwar] [fc:U.S..Campaign.On.A.Second.Front:.Public.Opinion] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit New York Times October 31, 2001 U.S. Campaign On A Second Front: Public Opinion By Michael R. Gordon and Eric Schmitt WASHINGTON, Oct. 30 - Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld is planning to leave this week for Russia and nations near Afghanistan as the Bush administration strives to hold together its coalition for the military campaign against Osama bin Laden and the Taliban government that protects him. The United States has deployed 1,000 Army troops, as well as special operations forces, in Uzbekistan, a move that Mr. Rumsfeld helped arrange on a previous trip. Now the military may need more cooperation from Central Asian states to keep up military pressure on the Taliban, support the Northern Alliance and continue its search for Mr. bin Laden. Gen. Tommy R. Franks, the head of the United States Central Command, met today with Uzbek leaders and later said American military activity there might "change from day to day and from week to week." Carl Levin, a Democrat of Michigan who is chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said in an interview that the arrangements the United States has for bases in the region for its commandos might not be adequate and that it might have to add special operations forces in Central Asia. It will take time, Mr. Levin said, to strengthen the American military presence in the region for future phases of the campaign. Mr. Rumsfeld's travels will come after more than three weeks of bombing across Afghanistan and a commando raid near Kandahar, a Taliban stronghold. The Taliban has proved to be a more tenacious opponent than the Pentagon had hoped, prompting prominent lawmakers here to advocate ways to increase the pressure, including the more extensive use of special operations forces and even major ground units. Even as the Pentagon searches for ways to intensify pressure on the Taliban, there has also been growing unease in Pakistan and other Islamic nations over the continuing toll of civilian casualties as the United States conducts day and night bombing against Afghanistan. Even Britain, the United States' staunchest supporter and the sole nation whose forces are participating with the United States in combat operations, has been concerned that the allies may lose the battle for international public opinion in the Islamic world and even in Western Europe. Defense Minister Geoff Hoon of Britain, who met Mr. Rumsfeld and other top officials here today, suggested that Washington slow the air campaign in the Muslim holy month of Ramadan to avoid further strains in the anti-Taliban coalition. "I think we should indicate to the states in the region that we are taking account of Ramadan," he told reporters before the meeting. Mr. Hoon said the allies should not say in advance exactly how they plan to treat Ramadan to keep the Taliban off balance and make it hard for them to regroup in any lull in the bombing. But the British clearly think that one way to address Pakistan's concerns would be to reduce the pace of the bombing without stopping it entirely. "His idea was to slow it down, but keep the Taliban guessing," Representative Christopher Shays, Republican of Connecticut, said after meeting Mr. Hoon. "He didn't want to give them a blank check for a month." Mr. Shays, who heads the House Government Reform Subcommittee on National Security, said Mr. Hoon had indicated that public opinion in Britain was beginning to swing against the war, driven in large measure by the increasing reports of civilian bombing casualties. "I was emphasizing that we're at war, that we're in a race against terrorists," Mr. Shays said after talking with Mr. Hoon. "His response was that the tone was changing in Britain, and he wanted us to be aware of it. He was expressing a cautionary note. He was also taking our temperature." Mr. Rumsfeld has previously argued that the United States should continue its airstrikes during Ramadan, citing the need to suppress terrorist attacks and historical instances in which Islamic nations have waged war during the holy days. "Needless to say, the Taliban and Al Qaeda are unlikely to take a holiday," Mr. Rumsfeld said on Monday. "And given the fact that they have killed thousands of Americans and people from 50 or 60 other countries and given the fact that they have sworn to continue such attacks, we have an obligation to defend the American people, and we intend to work diligently to do that." With Mr. Hoon by his side today, Mr. Rumsfeld said Washington would be respectful of the religious sensitivities of Islamic nations but declined to elaborate. Mr. Hoon's proposal on Ramadan reflects sensitivity to crucial Islamic allies like Pakistan, as well as public opinion in Europe. In the United States, some seem increasingly frustrated by the slow pace of the military campaign, and conservative politicians have begun to talk about escalating it by using ground forces on a larger scale. In Britain and other European countries, however, public opinion seemed headed in the other direction. The European public appears more concerned about civilian casualties than ending the war swiftly. "People are starting to wonder where does this way of waging war bring us?" a Western diplomat said today, referring to European sentiment. "There are no evident results. There are no big Taliban leaders captured or killed. And the collateral damage doesn't make nice pictures in the newspapers. I just don't know what's been achieved." In Wales, Prime Minister Tony Blair sought to bolster support for what he called "a principled conflict," urging his audience, the National Assembly in Cardiff, to "never forget" the horror of the attacks on Sept. 11. Mr. Hoon presented the British views today in meetings with Mr. Rumsfeld; the national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice; Deputy Secretary of State Richard L. Armitage; and senior lawmakers. However gentle, Mr. Hoon's remarks in private and in public amounted to a call to shift to a new phase of the war. Although the United States has been engaged in around-the-clock bombing in an effort to crack the Taliban, Mr. Hoon argued for a more varied and, occasionally, more limited use of air power. Airstrikes would not necessarily be relentless, and they would be one element of a long-term campaign that would use commando operations and support for the Northern Alliance. "It is important that we are not predictable and that this is a way we will maintain pressure," Mr. Hoon told reporters this morning. "There should be period of intense activity. There should be period of lesser activity. There may well be periods over the winter in which you cannot detect any activity. But I assure you some will be taking place." Some British military officers have been even more pointed. Adm. Sir Michael Boyce, the chief of the British defense staff, has said the allies should gird for a methodical campaign that might last as long as three or four years. Brig. Roger Lane, the officer in charge of the Royal Marines, which London has earmarked for the conflict in Afghanistan, has warned that they should not be rushed into battle because they need several weeks of added training and because the United States lacks good intelligence on targets in Afghanistan. "We will be ready when suitable targets have been identified," Brigadier Lane said last weekend. "We do not want to be too hasty." In Russia, Mr. Rumsfeld will meet Defense Minister Sergei B. Ivanov and discuss joint efforts against terrorism, the military campaign and the effort to forge an agreement on missile defense and strategic arms. Russia is supplying arms to the Northern Alliance and retains considerable influence in Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, former Soviet republics that border Afghanistan. In Asia, Mr. Rumsfeld is widely expected to discuss the military campaign and requirements in the region, including additional access to bases in Central Asia. The Pentagon has also acknowledged that it is considering establishing a temporary base in Afghanistan. "In the Persian Gulf," Senator Levin said, "it took four or five months before we were ready to move, and it will take time before we have force in place to make the move here." ------------------------ Yahoo! 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