Return-Path: <sentto-279987-4416-1012574322-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 01 Feb 2002 06:41:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7561 invoked by uid 510); 1 Feb 2002 14:38:23 -0000 Received: from n13.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.63) by all.net with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 14:38:23 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-4416-1012574322-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [216.115.97.190] by n13.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2002 14:22:55 -0000 X-Sender: Ross.Leo@csoconline.com X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 1 Feb 2002 14:38:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 97265 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 14:38:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2002 14:38:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO csoc-fire1.csoconline.com) (140.169.2.142) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 14:38:37 -0000 Received: from [140.169.2.142] by csoc-fire1.csoconline.com via smtpd (for [216.115.97.171]) with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 14:38:37 UT Received: by csoc-mail-imc.csoconline.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <DAT6RLJJ>; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 08:33:14 -0600 Message-ID: <72222DC86846D411ABD300A0C9EB08A1079C32E8@csoc-mail-box.csoconline.com> To: "'iwar@yahoogroups.com'" <iwar@yahoogroups.com> X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) From: "Leo, Ross" <Ross.Leo@csoconline.com> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 08:38:45 -0600 Subject: RE: [iwar] [fc:FBI.Raid.Silences.Teen.Anarchist's.Site] Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I cannot disagree with your thought, Fred. Historically, many sites have proffered the Anarchist's message in the past and received little if any attention from the authorities. That the events of last September have sensitized these same authorities to the point of near over-reaction seems rather obvious in this event. Still, even the smart Anarchist picks his battles. I remain unconvinced that, at least in the West, many people (even in these underground circles) regard martyrdom as noble. Frequently, they think it foolish and unnecessary. I thought I noticed in Austin's comments a bit of the martyr's drumbeat. Such rhetoric is tiresome, and I think in his case purely self-serving, with no nobility or altruism whatever. Given that, he has no credibility whatever, and denigrates the cause he claims. To many he will sound too much like those others crying "Death to America" elsewhere in the world, and thus be written off as misguided, disloyal, un-American, etc. Such people have no sympathetic audience here these days, and this young man will not be the one who changes that. Ross A. Leo, CISSP, CBCP -----Original Message----- From: Fred Cohen [mailto:fc@all.net] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 08:19 To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [iwar] [fc:FBI.Raid.Silences.Teen.Anarchist's.Site] Per the message sent by Leo, Ross: > More proof that the First Amendment protects everyone - stupid and > non-stupid alike. This young lad should be allowed to "think" whatever he > likes - but, like so many others, he forgot that the First Amendment > provides no protection for those who knowingly break the law through action > rather than just by expressing an unpopular opinion. Silly me - I took it another way. I saw this as an example where they basically raided him for what he was saying/posting, not for anything he did. And of course the many Muslum sites taken off the Internet of late by the FBI were purely taken out for what they said. FC --This communication is confidential to the parties it is intended to serve-- Fred Cohen Fred Cohen & Associates.........tel/fax:925-454-0171 fc@all.net The University of New Haven.....http://www.unhca.com/ http://all.net/ Sandia National Laboratories....tel:925-294-2087 ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Sponsored by VeriSign - The Value of Trust When building an e-commerce site, you want to start with a secure foundation. Learn how with VeriSign's FREE Guide. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kWSNbC/XdiDAA/yigFAA/kgFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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