Return-Path: <sentto-279987-4629-1019802821-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 25 Apr 2002 23:38:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8579 invoked by uid 510); 26 Apr 2002 06:33:33 -0000 Received: from n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com (66.218.66.77) by all.net with SMTP; 26 Apr 2002 06:33:33 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-4629-1019802821-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2002 06:33:38 -0000 X-Sender: partners@7pillars.com X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 26 Apr 2002 06:33:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 47920 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2002 06:33:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2002 06:33:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.pyramid.net) (206.100.212.1) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2002 06:33:37 -0000 Received: from slate.7pillars.com [206.100.222.178] by mail.pyramid.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.06) id A4C08F70078; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 23:33:36 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020425232343.00b16240@mail.anonymizer.com> X-Sender: partners@mail.anonymizer.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20020425215549.78502.qmail@web14510.mail.yahoo.com> References: <Pine.SOL.3.96.1010719154556.14814A-100000@sirius.infonex.com> From: Michael Wilson <partners@7pillars.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: ridethewhirlwind Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 23:33:29 -0700 Subject: Re: [iwar] Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Needless to say, this obviously has nothing to do with me. The variety of comments made by E.R. below are being referred to my legal counsel to see if they're actionable. In case it isn't clear, the notification of the slides (the message that E.R. is commenting on) weren't sent to her but to the list at large quite a while back. Cyberspace is full of people that would be better advised to keep their quirks to themselves. The message from E.R. is clearly an uninformed opinion. MW At 02:55 PM 4/25/2002 -0700, you wrote: > Michael: I would appreciate it if you would cease communicationg with me > and please tell Ming the same. I found this while dumping out old mail > and frankly, all of the people whom you wanted to meet with and were > going to have call me, either never did so, or called and-behaved as > though this were espionage class. I was not negative concerning you with > any of them as they are your friends, At present, I have no idea who you > work for, what country is home, etc. Under these circumstances, I felt > it was legally not a very wise thing to pursue your proscribed ideas. >This system is not simply a home PC and I have been working with people at >two of the national labs, and two federal agencies in an attempt to help >th US protect its critical cyber infrastructure primarily for the US >national security community >It sounds as though your services are for sale to the highest bidder, or >that you are one of the worlds first cyber merchs. >As I am protecting tickects and the sources and methods from which >collection comes from, lets just shake hands and wish each other well. I >cannot impress upon you how important it is NOT to be aiding thrid party >nations at present.I hope that you will not chose to either harm this >country, or play loose canon consultant. It is a dangerous world out >there. Do not start believing your own press and work for any third party >nations. >good luck > > > 7Pillars Partners <partners@7pillars.com> wrote: I decided to venture > off to Las Vegas in order to speak to the annual DefCon >convention. I chose the topic of hackers and information operations, simply >because the hacker community is developing the capabilities, but not getting >a handle on intentions or structure. Rather than have the hacker community >sucked into some weird vortex of thought that would be hostile (to individual >freedom, to national security, etc.), I thought some friendly education might >be in order. > >The presentation is very 'lite'--a much-diluted version of what I train >clients >in, but it still gets across the basic concepts. Enjoy it, and obviously I >welcome comments, questions, flames, etc. > >www.7pillars.com/papers/HackerIO.zip > >Michael Wilson >Managing Partner, 7Pillars Partners >www.7pillars.com > > >------------------ >http://all.net/ > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > >--------------------------------- >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >------------------ >http://all.net/ > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> HOT! PRICE BREAKTHROUGH! SUPER Tiny Wireless Video Camera UNDER $80 BUCKS --> ORDER NOW! http://us.click.yahoo.com/y7toOC/8o6DAA/yigFAA/kgFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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