Return-Path: <sentto-279987-4635-1020051458-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Sun, 28 Apr 2002 20:43:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 29328 invoked by uid 510); 29 Apr 2002 03:37:29 -0000 Received: from n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com (66.218.66.81) by all.net with SMTP; 29 Apr 2002 03:37:29 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-4635-1020051458-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.195] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2002 03:37:38 -0000 X-Sender: fastflyer28@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Apr 2002 03:37:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 57214 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2002 03:37:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2002 03:37:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14506.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.224.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2002 03:37:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20020429033737.18482.qmail@web14506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.168.225.135] by web14506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 20:37:37 PDT To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200204282233.g3SMXho00571@red.all.net> From: "e.r." <fastflyer28@yahoo.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: fastflyer28 Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 20:37:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [iwar] White House Official Asks Colleges to Help Create National Computer-Security Strategy (fwd) Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Right on the money, FC. There seems to be yet anther critical program "JR." is floating about without asking specific and fundamental questions-this should not be a scavenger hunt for the " cyber kitchen sink. Further, if you ask this small group of schools to take on an undue fiscal burden for the nations well being , other departments will suffer in this situation. In either private, or public schools that will never work. A policy must define both verticle and horizontal responsibility if the work that is done will be of value.It is very much needed. If protection of the US critical cyber infrastructure is at hand, the government must show both it's political committment and is it's willingness to back this effort in a long term manner. This work needs to be done, but funding is a must. Fred Cohen <fc@all.net> wrote: Read below for more details... How exactly is education going to do research without money? These are non-profit institutions where tuition pays less than 1/3 of the cost of education. They have inadequate equipment, inadequate expertise, and are producing very few graduate degrees in this area. The professors who have historically made the breakthroughs in this area are nearing retirement and the total national output in this area is now on the order of 2 new professors per year. Professors who do research without funding lose their jobs - junior professors who do so are guaranteed to not get tenure. This is a perrenially underfunded area and the results of this long term underfunding is the sorry state of security we have today. The White House now declares that they want more research but will provide no money. It is, at least an outrage, and most certainly a joke in poor taste. If this decision is carried out, history will likely prove it to be one of the worst mistakes ever made by a government. While every other nation in the world is funding this area heavily to gain the advantage over the US and to protect its valuable national assets, the US - once a leader in this area, has made a national policy decision to not fund the very research they claim to be at the heart of national survival. I could write more but I am currently more than a bit enflamed... FC Subject: White House Official Asks Colleges to Help Create National Computer-Security Strategy This article from The Chronicle of Higher Education (http://chronicle.com) was forwarded to you from: ... _________________________________________________________________ The following message was enclosed: Thought you would be interested in this, unfortunately, they will not provide funding for these efforts. _________________________________________________________________ Friday, April 19, 2002 White House Official Asks Colleges to Help Create National Computer-Security Strategy By DAN CARNEVALE The White House's top computer-security official on Thursday called on colleges and universities to help develop a national strategy for securing computer networks. Richard A. Clarke, special adviser to the president for cyberspace security, said institutions should coordinate their research efforts and develop guidelines for protecting technology systems from outside attacks. He spoke here at the Networking 2002 conference, sponsored by Educause and a host of other organizations. Mr. Clarke put the responsibility for securing the computer networks squarely on the people who use them. Businesses and educational institutions, he said, should assess their own vulnerability to computer-system attacks and share strategies for protecting networks. The White House plans to issue a report in late July outlining strategies to secure computer networks. The report will be the first in a series of recommendations, which will be updated as new guidelines and technologies are developed. "It's not going to be one of these coffee-table books issued by Washington once a year," Mr. Clarke said during his speech. Computer networks are vulnerable to attack by hackers and terrorists alike, he said. Developing adequate protections will take years. University research is crucial to developing ways to protect computer networks, he said, in part because businesses can't afford to spend money on long-term, high-risk research. "Colleges and universities have always played a major role in defending our country and in keeping our economy healthy," Mr. Clarke said at the conference. He said the White House would support the efforts of colleges and universities. But in an interview after his speech, he said the support would not include financial help. "We think it's something they need to do themselves," he said. "It doesn't take any money to do this." Educational organizations have already begun coordinating their efforts in cybersecurity research. Organizations such as the American Association of State Colleges and Universities and the American Council on Education announced Thursday that they planned to participate in cybersecurity research and development. (See an article from The Chronicle, April 18.) "I think this effort -- this framework -- is extremely important, because it demonstrates that the issue of network security is a major concern of colleges and universities around the country," said David Ward, president of the American Council on Education, in a statement. "Policy makers and corporate leaders should know that the higher-education community is working together constructively to address this challenge." _________________________________________________________________ This article from The Chronicle is available online at this address: http://chronicle.com/free/2002/04/2002041901t.htm If you would like to have complete access to The Chronicle's Web site, a special subscription offer can be found at: http://chronicle.com/4free _________________________________________________________________ You may visit The Chronicle as follows: * via the World-Wide Web, at http://chronicle.com * via telnet at chronicle.com _________________________________________________________________ Copyright 2002 by The Chronicle of Higher Education --This communication is confidential to the parties it is intended to serve-- Fred Cohen Fred Cohen & Associates.........tel/fax:925-454-0171 fc@all.net The University of New Haven.....http://www.unhca.com/ http://all.net/ Sandia National Laboratories....tel:925-294-2087 --This communication is confidential to the parties it is intended to serve-- Fred Cohen Fred Cohen & Associates.........tel/fax:925-454-0171 fc@all.net The University of New Haven.....http://www.unhca.com/ http://all.net/ Sandia National Laboratories....tel:925-294-2087 Yahoo! 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