Re: [iwar] [fc:China.loses.grip.on.internet]/ perhaps not yet

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Date: 2002-06-06 21:10:50
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 OK- but this is a bejing listed report-might it have been censored.  The Chinese Intell folks have a vast computer center near Beijing, and as far as I know, the PLA has one battallion of soldiers who only purspose is infor warfare in many shapes and sizes.  The Chinese have one unique way of doing things-always labor intensive.  The can't afford to spend the kind of money to do similar functions that the US gov does.  When you have a labor excess-to put is mildly-that is the way that you approach dealing with many problems.  Ifd their foreign secret services has one job to do the will only provide brief training to 5 people and bet on the notion that 1 will complete the mission.  Talk about feeling expendible?
I have a friend who has spent the last 6 months- chinese by birth and multiligual-working for a very large american firm involved in a joint venture in China.  From her perspective, the place is a social/cultural wasteland that lives for the almighty buck.  There is a great book that a pal of mine wrote called "Chinese Intelligence Services". published by the Naval Institute Press. It will concern you.  The Chinese kiddies may be at rest, but their parents are very much in the works of foulind up specifically targeted net sites.  And, that is jus the unclassified part of the story.  It is a wild read.
  Fred Cohen <fc@all.net> wrote: China loses grip on internet

By Rupert Wingfield-Hayes
In Beijing

<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_2027000/2027120.s">http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_2027000/2027120.s>
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The internet is changing China profoundly, breaking down the stranglehold on
information held by China's communist rulers.

The Chinese are now the second biggest internet users in the world. Last
year more than 56 million of them logged on from home, and that number is
growing by 6% a month.


A hi-tech police force keeps watch over the internet 24 hours a day

But the Chinese state will not give up its monopoly without a fight - and
using the internet to express dissent in China is still a very dangerous
game to play.

One man, Haung Qi found that out to his cost, as he explained in a rare
interview.

In 1998 he set up a website in the western Chinese city of Cheng Du. The
site rapidly became a magnet for discussion of everything from human rights
to democracy.

"As the website developed it began to reveal more and more deep problems in
China's society," he said. "Gradually we began to come under a lot of
pressure from the government.

"First the police came to shut down the site, then agents from the state
security bureau."

Web police

Not long after the interview was recorded the police came for Huang Qi. He
posted a last message on the site.

"The police are here," he wrote. "Thanks to all of those who care about
democracy in China. Goodbye."

Post for web company
According to a survey, China's home internet is second only to the US
Last August Huang Qi was found guilty of attempting to subvert state power.
He will spend the next few years in a bare concrete cell.

Inside an imposing building in Beijing is the Ministry of Information
Industry, where a hi-tech police force keeps watch over the internet 24
hours a day. It has been nicknamed "the great fire-wall of China".

Its job is to keep ordinary Chinese people from accessing unhealthy
information. That could be anything from Playboy to the BBC.

The Chinese state is going to enormous lengths to control the web. But
despite its best efforts, the internet is changing China.

Debate widens

At 0300 the printing presses at The People's Daily are in full flow. The
newspaper is the mouthpiece of the Communist Party. Its stock in trade is
industrial output figures and the latest Communist Party dogma.

It is not a good read.


Information is now being spread and exchanged in ways unthinkable just a few
years ago

But a few floors above at the offices of the People's Daily website,
something very different is going on. The site has real news stories and its
internet chat-rooms rage with debate - some of them quite racy.

The site is rather grandly named "the strong country forum".

There is one message group which is talking about patriotism.

"Today patriotism in China means loving the Party and loving Socialism,"
said one contributor. "You can destroy China's environment, but you can't
criticise the Party."

For the first time ever the internet is allowing people from every corner of
China to engage with each other in conversation and debate. And it is
changing China in other ways too.

Spreading the word

China's state-run television recently reported on a huge mining disaster in
the south-west of the country in which 81 miners were killed. But without
the internet this report would probably never have happened.

"The local government used all kinds of measures to try and stop us
reporting the disaster," said Zheng Sheng Feng, the bureau chief for the
local Communist Party daily.

"They threatened lots of journalists and succeeded in stopping many of them
from publishing their stories. The officials knew they would be in big
trouble if the story got out."

Frustrated and angry, Mr Zheng and his colleagues took their stories and
posted them on the web. Word began to spread. Soon journalists in other
provinces picked up the story and finally news of the disaster reached
Beijing.

"Without the internet the story may still have got out," said Mr Zheng.
"With so many people killed it would have been hard to keep it a secret for
ever, but it would have been much more difficult."

The internet is changing China in subtle but profound ways. Information is
now being spread and exchanged in ways unthinkable just a few years ago.

The Chinese state's once total control on information has been broken and
hard as it may try it has little hope of regaining that control. 

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