Return-Path: <sentto-279987-4793-1023716558-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 10 Jun 2002 06:47:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 4599 invoked by uid 510); 10 Jun 2002 13:42:55 -0000 Received: from n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com (66.218.66.81) by all.net with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 13:42:55 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-4793-1023716558-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.95] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2002 13:42:38 -0000 X-Sender: fc@red.all.net X-Apparently-To: iwar@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 Jun 2002 13:42:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 1880 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2002 13:42:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2002 13:42:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO red.all.net) (12.232.72.152) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 13:42:37 -0000 Received: (from fc@localhost) by red.all.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g5ADjvX17560 for iwar@onelist.com; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 06:45:57 -0700 Message-Id: <200206101345.g5ADjvX17560@red.all.net> To: iwar@onelist.com (Information Warfare Mailing List) Organization: I'm not allowed to say X-Mailer: don't even ask X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] From: Fred Cohen <fc@all.net> X-Yahoo-Profile: fcallnet Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 06:45:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [iwar] [fc:ISLAM-INFONET:.CNN.Host's.'War.on.Islamists'.Sparks.ReligiousDebate] Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=LINES_OF_YELLING,LINES_OF_YELLING_2,LINES_OF_YELLING_3,MAILTO_WITH_SUBJ,MAILTO_LINK,DIFFERENT_REPLY_TO version=2.20 X-Spam-Level: In the Name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful ----- AMERICAN MUSLIM NEWS BRIEFS - 6/9/2002 ----- HEADLINES: * HADITH OF THE DAY: BE DUTIFUL TO YOUR MOTHER * CNN HOST'S 'WAR ON ISLAMISTS' SPARKS THORNY RELIGIOUS DEBATE * U.S. REPRESENTATIVES CREATE KASHMIR FORUM * RELIGIOUS GROUPS RAISING MONEY FOR HABITAT PROJECT (Ledger-Enquirer) * AMERICAN MUSLIM WOMEN: LIFE POST 9/11 * LETTERS: ISRAELIS TO BLAME (Pioneer Press) * CONFESSIONS OF A BULLDOZER DRIVER (7 Days) * LETTERS: TRAINING MUSLIMS AS CHAPLAINS (Washington Post) * NOT WHAT THE PROPHET WOULD WANT (Washington Post) * THE MOST STUPID RELIGION IS ISLAM (Lethbridge Herald) ----- HADITH OF THE DAY: BE DUTIFUL TO YOUR MOTHER The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "God has forbidden you to be undutiful to your mothers, to withhold (what you should give) or demand (what you do not deserve), or to bury your daughters alive (a pre-Islamic practice).” Sahih Al-Bukhari, Hadith 8:6 ----- CNN HOST'S 'WAR ON ISLAMISTS' SPARKS THORNY RELIGIOUS DEBATE By Joyce Howard Price, Washington Times, 6/8/02 <a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20020608-85041276.htm">http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20020608-85041276.htm> CNN's Lou Dobbs spent much of this week telling viewers of his show, "Moneyline," that the war on terror should be renamed the "war on Islamists…" "We are fighting a war against extreme, radical Muslims, who are trying to destroy us, our society, our economy, our way of life. They're called Islamists not Muslims or Islamics, Islamists. They are the enemy," Mr. Dobbs said on his show Wednesday night. Not surprisingly, Muslim groups were not pleased by his comments. But an aide to Mr. Dobbs said his statements generated more than a thousand calls from viewers, most of them favorable. CNN issued a statement late yesterday that defended Mr. Dobbs' activities and his use of the term, but said the views "do not represent the opinion of the network…" Ibrahim Hooper, a Muslim and spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said yesterday that Mr. Dobbs "has taken the definition of Islamist from bigots and is trying to apply it to the war on terror." "The bigots of the world say if you are an Islamist, you want to kill all who are non-Islamist. They define almost every Muslim activist as an Islamist," Mr. Hooper said… In a telephone interview, Mr. Dobbs defended his use of the term "Islamist" to define what he called "radical, fringe elements of Islamicism, not Islam." He cited several Muslim scholars, including author Salman Rushdie, who he said agree with his definition of Islamist… URL: http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/moneyline/ NOTE: The use of “Islamist” as a derogatory term is being promoted by Muslim-bashers like Daniel Pipes. SEE: Who is Daniel Pipes? <a href="http://www.cair-net.org/misc/people/daniel_pipes.html">http://www.cair-net.org/misc/people/daniel_pipes.html> ----- U.S. REPRESENTATIVES CREATE KASHMIR FORUM Reps. Pitts, Brady, and Bonior to seek avenues for peace <a href="http://www.house.gov/pitts/kashmir.htm">http://www.house.gov/pitts/kashmir.htm> Washington - Three Members of Congress announced the formation of a congressional Kashmir Forum to educate their colleagues about the troubled territory and seek avenues for peace.Kashmir is a disputed territory claimed by both India and Pakistan.The two nuclear powers are currently in a tense face-off which many fear could lead to open war.The Kashmir Forum will not advocate any one side of the dispute, but seek to understand the complexity of this issue and its effect on the people of Kashmir and the world… ----- RELIGIOUS GROUPS RAISING MONEY FOR HABITAT PROJECT BY ALLISON KENNEDY, Columbus Ledger-Enquirer, 6/8/02 <a href="http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/mld/ledgerenquirer/living/3423442.htm">http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/mld/ledgerenquirer/living/3423442.htm> After Sept. 11, when tensions worldwide among religious groups were high -- especially anger toward Muslims -- various members of three faith groups began meeting in Columbus. The goal was simply to become more knowledgeable about one another's faith. The group continues to meet and includes a Jewish rabbi, an Episcopal priest and a couple of Islamic representatives, including a cleric. Now, the three faith communities are planning to build a Habitat for Humanity house together in the fall, and will kick off their effort with an international dinner Sunday at St. Thomas Episcopal Church… ----- AMERICAN MUSLIM WOMEN: LIFE POST 9/11 A panel discussion at Arlington County Public Library, June 26, 7-9:30 pm “American-Muslim Women: Life post 9/11” is the title of a panel discussion to be held Wednesday, June 26, 7-9:30 p.m., at Arlington Central Library, 1015 N. Quincy St., Arlington. The program, which is free and open to the public, will focus on hearing the experiences of Muslim women in our community and the impact of 9/11 on their lives. After panelists speak, audience members will participate by learning and practicing listening skills. For details, call 703-228-5984. The program is part of the “Understanding Islam” series sponsored by the library. Contact: Pamela Garlick, Arlington Library, <a href="mailto:pgarli@co.arlington.va.us?Subject=Re:%20(ai)%20[Fwd:%20ISLAM-INFONET:%20CNN%20Host's%20'War%20on%20Islamists'%20Sparks%20ReligiousDebate]%2526In-Reply-To=%2526lt;3D03BAE7.54A7ED1B@speconsult.com ">pgarli@co.arlington.va.us</a> Rita Jimenez, program facilitator, 202-692-2525 ----- LETTERS: ISRAELIS TO BLAME The Pioneer Press, 6/7/02 <a href="http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/news/editorial/letters/3415700.htm">http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/news/editorial/letters/3415700.htm> One of the big lies that Israel uses in its nonstop barrage of slander against Palestinians is that families teach their children to hate Jews, when it's their racism, land confiscations, destruction of villages, agricultural lands and orchards, deprivation of Palestinian water rights, beatings, torture, illegal arrests, extrajudicial killings and assassinations, settlements, collective punishments, home demolitions, curfews, roadblocks, administrative detentions, expulsions, bypass roads and refugee exclusion among other things that teaches hatred to children. Palestinian children see their parents' humiliation, degradation and deaths. They don't need parental instructions to learn hatred. Theft of another's lands and brutalization of its indigenous inhabitants have a price; what Israelis sow, they now reap. It's time for Israel with support from the United States to end the pretense of innocence and acknowledge that it has been, and continues to be, the chief catalyst of hatred in the region. NICK AND MARY EOLOFF St. Paul ----- FROM THE INDEPENDENT MEDIA CENTRE IN ISRAEL CONFESSIONS OF A BULLDOZER DRIVER Subtitled: Where is The Hague? 7 Days Magazine (Yedioth Ahronoth), 6/4/02 <a href="http://www.indymedia.org.il/imc/israel/webcast/29399.html">http://www.indymedia.org.il/imc/israel/webcast/29399.html> In Jenin, Nisim called himself Duby Al-Kurdi (Kurdish bear cub). I recommend to everyone that they read the original interview which appeared under the title, I created for them a Teddy Stadium [2]in the center of the camp, by Zadoc Yehezakli. The following is a summary of the interview. At the time of the Israeli invasion of the Palestinian refugee camp in Jenin, Moshe Nisim was unemployed. He had recently been released from his position with the municipal government under suspicion of taking bribes. Nisim doesn't normally do military service. For the last 18 years his army unit has chosen not to call him to do his annual service. But when he heard that his friends were being called up to serve in operation Defensive Shield, he insisted, this time, on being called up. Nisim's trade in the Army is vehicle electrician, but this time he insisted on driving the armored bulldozer known as the D-9. Usually you need a long course to become qualified to operate the D-9, but from the information he provided, Nisim had only 2 hours of training. He arrived at the site of the Jenin refugee camp at about the time 13 Israeli soldiers were killed in an ambush. Nisim mounted his bulldozer from which he flew the flag of his favourite soccer club and proceeded to bulldoze houses. When asked by the reporter, What part of your work was difficult? Nisim responded, Difficult, what difficult, you must be joking. I was always begging the officers to give me another house to destroy. And believe me we destroyed too few. For 3 days I just erased and erased. I erased every house they (Palestinians) were shooting from and others in the neighbourhood. The officers warned them to leave before I entered, but I didn't give anyone a chance to escape. I would come and give a big hit, the hardest I could, so that the house would fall immediately. Some Israelis were telling stories that they restrained themselves, but these are only stories. There were many people in the houses when we began to destroy them. I didn't see people amid the ruins, but if there were any, I wouldn't care. I am sure that people died in these houses, but it was very difficult to see. There was a lot of dust and we worked mainly at night. I got great pleasure out of every house I took down. I know they (Palestinians) don t care if they live or die but losing their home really hurts them. If I have any regret, it is because we didn’t destroy the entire camp. Nisim continues, I derived great satisfaction from my role. I enjoyed myself. I couldn’t stop. I wanted to work all the time. I made the officer in charge crazy. After the fighting was over, we were ordered to remove the D-9 because the army didn’t t want reporters and photographers to see them working. I fought with the army because I was getting great satisfaction from my work and wanted to stay. It was like putting the 18 years I didn’t serve in the army into 3 days. The soldiers came to me and said Kurdi, you’re OK you’re OK! When Nisim was asked by the reporter, How were you able to serve 3 days and 3 nights without sleep?, he responded, I didn't feel tired at all. I drank whisky all the time. Everyone else packed clothes, but I packed whisky and snacks. Jenin made me strong. Jenin made me forget all my troubles. [1] Reference to the International Court of Justice based in The Hague, Holland [2] Reference to the home playing field of the Betr soccer club. ----- LETTERS: TRAINING MUSLIMS AS CHAPLAINS Washington Post, 6/8/02 A May 25 Religion News Service article erroneously stated that "only one recognized program certifies Muslim chaplains," the Hartford Seminary Islamic Chaplaincy Program ["Filling a Hole in Campus Communities," Metro]. The Graduate School of Islamic and Social Sciences (GSISS) in Leesburg offers both a master of arts degree program in Islamic studies and a master of religious practice degree program. This is a professional 90-credit-hour degree program that takes three years of full-time studies to complete, designed specifically to train chaplains and imams for the U.S. military, federal and state prisons, universities, hospitals, mosques and Islamic centers. It is sanctioned by the Armed Forces Chaplains Board of the U.S. Department of Defense, the Department of Veterans Affairs and the federal Bureau of Prisons. Out of 14 Muslim chaplains in the U.S. military, nine are GSISS alumni. About six months ago Muslim university chaplains formed the National Muslim Chaplains in Higher Education Council, which will set standards to ensure that Muslim chaplains at universities are adequately trained. -- Ahmed Alwani The writer is executive dean and registrar of the Graduate School of Islamic and Social Sciences. ----- NOT WHAT THE PROPHET WOULD WANT By Sohail H. Hashmi, Washington Post, 6/9/02 <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A15818-2002Jun8.html">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A15818-2002Jun8.html> Sohail Hashmi teaches international relations at Mount Holyoke College in Massachusetts. Suicide bombings challenge two fundamental principles of Islamic ethics: the prohibitions against suicide and the deliberate killing of noncombatants. Suicide for any reason has been strongly condemned throughout Islamic history and its practice is extremely rare in Islamic societies. In the context of war, however, the line between suicide and combat is often extremely fine and easily crossed. Just as some Americans still commemorate the "suicidal" military exploits of the defenders of the Alamo or Gen. George Pickett's division at Gettysburg, so Muslims honor many a doomed struggle, most famously perhaps the challenge of the prophet's grandson Husayn to the Umayyad caliph. Husayn's stand against all odds at Karbala in 680 has made him the "prince of martyrs" for both Shiites and Sunnis. Yet the prophet Muhammad, the principal exemplar of Islamic ethics (including military ethics), clearly sought to draw a line separating martyrdom in battle from suicide… ----- THE MOST STUPID RELIGION IS ISLAM, SAID BEST-SELLING FRENCH NOVELIST MICHEL HOUELLEBECQ... By Leona Flim, Lethbridge Herald (Canada), 6/9/02 <a href="http://www.lethbridgeherald.com/channels/medicinehatnews/lethbridgeherald/index.htm">http://www.lethbridgeherald.com/channels/medicinehatnews/lethbridgeherald/index.htm> The most stupid religion is Islam, said best-selling French novelist Michel Houellebecq. In his latest novel, Plateforme, he has the narrator say: "Each time that I hear that a Palestinian terrorist, or a Palestinian child, or a pregnant Palestinian woman has been shot in the Gaza Strip, I shiver with enthusiasm at the thought that there is one less Muslim." Houellebecq is a cynical poseur who would say anything to gain attention, but the problem is many Europeans give him the attention he craves rather than shunning him. Yet what are we all being urged to worry about (especially by American political commentators)? Not about rampant Islamophobia in Europe, but rather about the alleged upsurge of anti-Semitism in the continent. The anti-Semitism scare was unleashed by National Front leader Jean-Marie Le Pen's surprise success in pushing the Socialist candidate into third place in the first round of the French presidential elections in April. But Le Pen is not a new Hitler; he is just an opportunistic political thug whose dismissive remarks about the Holocaust ("a detail of history") have never been forgotten or forgiven by the majority of French voters. In the run-off round of voting in May, 82 per cent of French voters held their noses and supported President Jacques Chirac despite his obvious corruption, rather than vote for the racist rabble-rouser Le Pen. As for the 18 per cent who did back Le Pen, far more would have been motivated by their hatred and fear of immigrants' (i.e. Muslims) than of Jews. So why, then, do the American media in particular continue to harp on the threat of resurgent anti-Semitism in Europe? Mainly because it serves as a convenient (if false) explanation for why European governments and peoples show much greater sympathy for the Palestinian cause than is normal in American official and media circles. The reality is that the recent and unprecedented entry of far-right political parties into governing coalitions in a number of European countries is directly connected with rising popular resentment of immigrants and the majority of those immigrants almost everywhere are Muslims. Look at the recent inclusion of far-right parties in the Danish, Norwegian and Portuguese governments: not an anti-Semitic word or hint in any of their campaigns. Look at the remarkable success of assassinated politician Pim Fortuyn's party in last month's Dutch election: he won his popularity by calling for an end to immigration and referring to Islam as "a backward religion," but he never uttered a single word that suggested he harboured anti-Semitic views. Even Italy's Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, a right-wing populist who freely airs his anti-Muslim views, would never dream of saying anything anti-Semitic in public… In all of Europe, however, there is a rapidly rising tide of Islamophobia: politicians capitalizing on popular dislike of Muslim immigrants and even outright vilification of Islam. It is no worse than the routine public vilification of infidels and their satanic creeds by Islamic extremists that goes unrebuked in many of the world's Muslim countries, but that is no excuse for Europeans to behave the same way. Why is it happening?... ----- To SUBSCRIBE to or UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, go to: <a href="http://cair.biglist.com/islam-infonet/">http://cair.biglist.com/islam-infonet/> To reach the list moderator, send a message to: <a href="mailto:cair@cair-net.org?Subject=Re:%20(ai)%20[Fwd:%20ISLAM-INFONET:%20CNN%20Host's%20'War%20on%20Islamists'%20Sparks%20ReligiousDebate]%2526In-Reply-To=%2526lt;3D03BAE7.54A7ED1B@speconsult.com">cair@cair-net.org</a> ----- CAIR Council on American-Islamic Relations 453 New Jersey Avenue, S.E. 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