Return-Path: <sentto-279987-4911-1025149667-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Wed, 26 Jun 2002 20:50:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 27519 invoked by uid 510); 27 Jun 2002 03:47:39 -0000 Received: from n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com (66.218.66.105) by all.net with SMTP; 27 Jun 2002 03:47:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-4911-1025149667-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2002 03:47:48 -0000 X-Sender: fastflyer28@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_3); 27 Jun 2002 03:47:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 33707 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2002 03:47:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2002 03:47:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14501.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.224.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2002 03:47:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20020627034747.39024.qmail@web14501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.100.117.184] by web14501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 20:47:47 PDT To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20020624095920.04e42550@poptop.llnl.gov> From: "e.r." <fastflyer28@yahoo.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: fastflyer28 Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 20:47:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [iwar] [fc:They.Heard.It.All.Here ...] Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,RISK_FREE,FREE_MONEY,SUPERLONG_LINE version=2.20 X-Spam-Level: That is the hard part of being an open country. As Churchill once said "democracy is the worst for of government than any other form of government". He still makes sense. To be American will require taking the good we are used to with a new form of bad-limitations. Tony Bartoletti <azb@llnl.gov> wrote: The article by Pluchinsky promotes a "siege mentality" that is detrimental to the American psyche, and to democracy in general. The author writes "this is a war". Yes, and it will be a "war" forever, most likely. If we are to succumb to a siege mentality and restrict the American public from knowledge of the shortcomings of its infrastructure security, then the public cannot properly exercise its duty to govern itself. Security flaws will take far longer to address without the application of public pressure, a pressure that can only come from routine awareness. It is a cost of freedom and democracy that one's enemies are supplied with information that can be used against us. But without the free flow of such information, we lose freedom and democracy at step one. To allow significant restrictions on the flow of information, in the public interest, for the "duration of the war", is essentially to institutionalize these restrictions. This hands the greatest "win" to our adversaries. As a previous writer pointed out, our defense is not a defense of the "homeland". It is not about protecting physical borders or real-estate. It is all about preserving our democratic institutions. That is the target that our enemies aim to destroy. America will be made weaker, not stronger, by restricting general infrastructure status information from a public that requires this information to exercise real governance. ____tony____ At 09:09 AM 6/22/2002 -0700, you wrote: >washingtonpost.com >They Heard It All Here, And That's the Trouble >By Dennis Pluchinsky >Sunday, June 16, 2002; Page B03 >I accuse the media in the United States of treason. ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Free $5 Love Reading Risk Free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/3PCXaC/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/kgFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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