Re: [iwar] et all

At 09:20 AM 11/27/03 +1100, Ye Ole Posting was thus:

>Yes, it was. Still is every now and again.
>I haven't seen much activity on this list for about 12 months now. Think
>it's in the early stages of winding up.

Having been on the list a while ago and had to leave due life issues, I
find the slowness a bit odd - but I do not think that the list is in the
early stages of "winding up" "This list is for the serious information
warrior, those who want to keep abreast of the rise of information warfare,
and the casual observer who wants to understand the issues."Group Info
Members: 222 Founded: Aug 19, 1999 While not as huge as some groups. FOR
the speciality that this list serves it does have a large number of
users/members. From Fred a long time ago:

From: Fred Cohen
<<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iwar/post?postID=5k94zNahujeFK9DAdYVzSFdNSoh3BOXqV-s_lPFSGSJNXZss383zQlhRP2uk_Vpv-8K2Ozc>fc@a...>

Date: Thu Aug 19, 1999 2:28 pm
Subject: Why I restarted the inforwar list from 5 years ago

I have been seeing a lot about informaiton warfare in recent months, and
it seem like it is becoming a very real global phenomena. It appears to
be rising as a means for the poor to attack the rich. I was finally
triggered into action by this little article:

<http://www.sjmercury.com/svtech/news/breaking/ap/docs/765352l.htm>http://www.sjmercury.com/svtech/news/breaking/ap/docs/765352l.htm
*article no longer listed

So I decided to revive the information warfare list in a forum I could
more easily manage - thanks to onelist.com -

FC

I think that is still VERY true - if not more so today.

Just a bit about me - I have been in computer techie-geek industry for
some 20 years, have worked on many military, fed & state computer projects
as well as worked with the home user groups for a long time. All of which
got me interested in attacks on PC users (Windows, Linux, and Macintosh)
home or desk top units. Because of my background and interest in all areas
of Information Warfare - I have always found this list to be fun and
informative. So what is information warfare? Informational Cyber
Terrorism? Is virus or computer worm info war or cyber terrorism? Also,
what do you all think of this:

'Cyber terrorism': Don't believe the hype says Gartner
Posted Thursday, November 13, 2003 - 5:35pm by
<mailto:kirkhope@terrorism.com>kirkhope
Theory and reality are distant relations.... Gartner's information security
and risk research director has dismissed cyber-terrorism as a "theory". The
comments came during a media round-table session at the Gartner Symposium
and IT Expo, which began today in Sydney, Australia. The director, Rich
Mogull, told journalists that despite the incidence of high profile digital
attacks, cyber terrorism is a phenomenon that has never occurred. "The goal
of terrorism is to change society through the use of force or violence,
resulting in fear," he explained. "I want to put this cyber terrorism thing
to rest. It's a theory, it's not a fact." Even though there were examples
of attacks that have physical consequences - they could not be described as
terrorist acts, Mogull explained. To a large extent it comes down to
motive, he said.

<http://www.silicon.com/management/government/0,39024677,39116842,00.htm>http://www.silicon.com/management/government/0,39024677,39116842,00.htm
an

OR this one:

Email from 'Citibank' conceals Trojan
Posted Thursday, November 13, 2003 - 5:18pm by
<mailto:kirkhope@terrorism.com>kirkhope
Subject: [Terrorism RealNews] RealNews Daily Summary

An email supposedly from Citibank carries a virus that could allow hackers
to take control of a user's PC. An email purporting to be from Citibank
carries a Trojan virus that plants a back door on an infected computer,
allowing a hacker to use the machine as a channel for other activities on
the Internet. Email-security company MessageLabs on Wednesday afternoon
reported the new email virus, which has been dubbed Troj/Downloader!4c52 or
Downloader-DI. The first copies of the email have come from Australia, with
more than 400 copies spotted so far, according to the company. The
attachment is named www.citybankhomeloan.htm.pif. Once clicked, the Trojan
attempts to download a further component from a free hosting website
located in Russia.

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/0,39020645,39117827,00.htm

Oh By the Way - When was the last time any of us thanked Fred for running
the list?

Intaxication: Euphoria at getting a tax refund, which lasts
until you realize it was your money to start with.

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Received on Thu Nov 27 07:48:09 2003