From Fri Nov 24 10:09:58 1995
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 10:16:35 -0500
From: (Jay Kahn)
Subject: Re: IW

lets try this for a while and see what comes across.

IW is both new and exciting, while also a lot of old wine in new bottles.
MITRE is a federally chartered, not for profit corporation that performs
analyses for elements of the US DOD, and a little bit for a few allied
nations too.

Jay Kahn

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From: John Young 
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:05:52 -0500
Message-Id: <>
Subject: CJR_war 

   SciAm, December, 1995:

   "Fighting Future Wars. U.S. military planners may be
   preparing for the wrong conflict."

      Policy experts, technical gurus and defense contractors
      have begun to study a range of other potential threats,
      from a newly hatched superpower to a regional power with
      dramatically altered fighting tactics, to legions of
      mercenary hackers that bring down banks and stock
      exchanges with computer viruses and other malevolent
      software. The vast array of scenarios is a measure of
      the speculative turn that has gripped the
      military-planning establishment.

      Debate on high-tech fighting culminates in the question
      of whether information technologies -- a computer virus,
      for one -- could make conventional military hardware
      obsolete and whether they would make possible a virtual
      invasion of the continental U.S. A battle of the bits
      would be fought by destroying an enemy's information
      assets, its financial, electrical, telecommunications
      and air-traffic-control networks. Direct strikes at the
      military would not be ruled out: cracking a government
      computer is already a not infrequent hacker rite of
      passage. In addition, more than 95 percent of military
      communications travel over public networks.


From Fri Nov 24 12:39:56 1995
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 09:41:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Joseph Seanor 
Subject: Subscribe Info-War

Please add my name to the Info-War mailing list.  Having spoken at the 
Information Warfare conference this past year, I am looking forward to 
some interesting discussions here on the net.

Joseph Seanor
From Fri Nov 24 12:33:08 1995
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 12:37:06 -0500 (EST)
From: "S. Alexander Jacobson" 
To: Information Warfare Mailing List 

My conception of iw involves attacks on C3I systems as well as propaganda 
attacks.  The range includes EMP bombs and viruses as well as the 
introduction of subversive propaganda or the introduction of new 
communication technology.

I'm looking forward to learning more.

S. Alexander Jacobson             Internet                Virtual Office Inc.          Consulting

From Fri Nov 24 16:41:13 1995
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 95 13:44:13 PST

My perspective:

The civilian information dissemination world has much to learn from
the military who has been dealing with the precursors to IW challenges
for many years.  This is hindered by civilian mistrust (some justified), 
military secrecy (likewise), and misunderstanding.

The military hierarchy has much to learn from civilians, both Eloi and
Morlock, who live close to or over the bleeding edge of today's
information technology.  This is hindered by the "control" leg
of the C3 stool, one sneered at by information anarchists, but essential
to military operations.

Two cultures, divergent values, common challenges, mutual mistrust.

What an opportunity!
From Fri Nov 24 18:15:45 1995
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 18:15:44 -0500 (EST)

What is IW all about?

	Nobody really knows yet as far as I can tell.  The offensive
side is predominantly hard-kill these days, in part because people don't
seem to know how to do soft-kill very well, while the defensive side
seems to be getting nowhere fast.  I have started to look at issues
related to measurement of effect with the idea of figuring out ways to
use IW in controlled ways, but so far, the interdependency of systems
has made it hard to predict the implications of even simple scenarios. 
The whole PM issue is a concern for me because I know that other nations
are using against the US, while I find some moral issue in having the US
use this against the world and its own people (something it has done in
some degree historically).  There seem to be a lot of issues here.

-> See: Info-Sec Heaven at URL
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From Fri Nov 24 18:32:03 1995
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 18:34:50 -0500 (EST)

Information Warfare: those actions which inhibit the ability of an
adversary to repond/react/retaliate to the actions of another relating
to electronic warfare. Can have psycological or economic impac as well
as physical.

Denial is the easiest form of attack but the easiest to detect. Is
primarily tactical in nature.

Compromise is more difficult but easier to hide.

Corruption of data is the most difficult to accomplish but potentially
has the greatest strategic importance.

For a starting thought consider that denial of *all* electronic communication
on the battlefield will favor the least technologically advanced opponent.

Enough to start ?
From Fri Nov 24 19:02:18 1995
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 02:05:42 +0200 (EET)
From: Daniel Guy 


It seems this mailing list is on the more philosophical side as opposed 
to a techinal group, and since there's nothing better than philosiphizing 
at 4:30am after 5 boat-loads of caffeine - here I am.

St. Viper the sleepy one O:-)
From Fri Nov 24 18:53:58 1995
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 08:01:13 -0800
From: (Peng-chiew Low)

I am a newbie in this infoWars and would like to find out more and perhaps
contribute a Malaysian perspective (if there is such a thing). Thanks.
From Fri Nov 24 19:05:20 1995

Hi.  The idea of informaiton warfare has interested me for a while.  In 
the past the closest thing to Informaiton Warfare I could think of would 
have been Corporate / Governement espionage.  Today it can come in many 
forms.  False information, stolen information, spoofed information etc.  
It can have a wider area of effect with the advent of computer systems.  
Essentially, I am interested in anything that has any relation to 
high-tech crime.  Information warefare fits nicely into that area.