Subject: IW Mailing List history/951206
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 03:30:18 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Steele 

	It seems to me that the IW "triad" has CONTENT at the top of the
triangle--ensuring that you can get, deliver, and exploit intelligence
for the commander while also dominating the CONTENT that gets to the
enemy leadership and population-- with electronic civil defense
(continuity of operations in BOTH civil and military sectors); and
offensive technical IW capabilities being the other two corners of the
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 22:40:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Watson 
Subject: Re: IW Mailing List history/951130

The moderator asked for comment, and with some trepidation I respond... 
Wow! Maybe the extensive philosophical considerations are in fact
useful.  Maybe the entry question of "what is IW" should be supplemented
with "what should the IW list try to do?" Like Sun Tzu said, "while
you're studying warfare I'll be snacking on your crops." Well, maybe he
didn't really say that.  But you can't prove it. 

I can tolerate some amount of basic training, and don't even mind
philosophical tomes now and then.  It is my hope that we'll focus on how
to keep the bad guys out of my crops. 

One philosophical consideration that occurs to me is that the dependency
infrastructure and value chain concepts seem to apply to societies.  At
the other end is the one-on-one conflicts, like my wife and I deciding
what color carpets to buy.  We both offer our informative basis for the
choice without much thought of dependency or value chains.  There is a
scaling process as group dynamics come into play with larger and larger
groups.  Trial lawyers and juries.  Madison avenue (and their front
persons with clown heads or cleavage) vs their market niche, political
parties.  And so forth.  Ultimately I have to convince you to give me
your crops or else come in and take them.  The LA radio talked about a
fellow in San Antonio whose arrest was reported in the local newspaper
whereupon he committed suicide, because of the article according to the
lawsuit.  Some folks in Jonestown succombed to someone's transmission of
information.  Larger groups would be more resistant to this kind of
approach, if focused on them for hostile purposes (which the cited cases
may or may not have been).  If I can use such methods to get you to give
me your crops, that might be useful.  But I'm not sure that's a
practical consideration given the way information is used these days. 

So, if my conflict is with the Legion of Doom or with a competing
company, my strategies may be different than between governments.  Why
people do bad things is of less interest to me than their strategies for
trying to force their will on me or prevent me from imposing mine on
them.  And in modern information conflicts the technology seems to focus
us both into some specific methods which might be of more interest to
many of us than the driving philosophies.  I vote let's talk about
computer networks. 
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 21:34:23 +0400
From: (Andrew & Terri Forster)

Accurate, Up-to-date and Complete information is becoming more and more
important in all areas of business and decision making.  For life in
general information is also becoming more important and with it comes
many hazards including "information overload" and the requirements of
sifting through the flood of information now available to us to find the
"appropriate" information required to make decisions. 
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 16:41:53 -0500
From: winn@Infowar.Com
Subject: IWC Europe

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