Subject: IW Mailing List iw/951217
From: Potter B MSgt ACC/SCXX 
Subject: Info Warfare versus Right-Wing French Govt -- A Lurker Replies
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 95 23:41:00 EST

| >From: Bruce Sterling 
| Subject: Info Warfare versus Right-Wing French Govt
| - Spread this message everywhere
| - a) In the date 21/12/1995, 6pm-7pm link to sites of French Government
|   [December 21 at noon EST] (look at the list no. 1 or cut and copy the home
|   page of the list no. 3);
| - b) replay said procedure several times for an hour at intervals of a few
| seconds.
| A demonstration of 1000, 10.000, 100.000 netusers all together making
| part of a line crossing French Government's sites.  The result of this
| strike will be to stop for an hour network activities of French
| Government.

Before taking part in this act of offensive IW, consider carefully the
target you're being asked to blindly attack.  The French government is
trying to move their nation from a socialist state to a more fiscally
responsible one.  As a result, a few thousand whiners, who are afraid
their government hand-outs will be trimmed, rally in the streets every
time they see a video camera.  This protest has apparently crossed
borders to other European bastions of socialism (note the source of the

[Moderator's note: I hope nobody interpreted this posting as in any way
indicating an endorsement of this activity.  It is a policy of
to forward any such message to systems administrators at impacted sites. 
The posting was used to indicate a possible IW incident and as a focal
point for discussion.]

This is a classic case of the "social engineering" aspect of IW.  The
original poster probably understands well that many will take part, not
out of interest in French politics, but simply because of the
opportunity to take part in an act of IW.  THIS IS DANGEROUS.  Can
anyone here anticipate the possible impacts of shutting-down the French
government for however long it takes to recover from this? How about
possible impacts on safety of flight in French airspace because their
flight facilities may not be able to coordinate with one another? What
about the French economy? These whiners may be joined by most of their
countrymen if this attack, combined with an economic collapse due to
lack of investor confidence, succeeds in destroying France. 
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 95 08:25:34 -0500
From: (A. Padgett Peterson, P.E. Information Security)
Subject: RE: IW Mailing List iw/951216

>Point 2 seems like a simple one in that every specific attack is
>probably detectable even though many may not be detected in most
>systems.  If I am wrong about this, I would like to see a specific
>example of an attack that meets the undetectable criterion.

Moderator's Note:
	Reopen the great sniffer debate? Not on this list.  Suffice it
to say that there is an ongoing and unsettled debate over whether
sniffers are detectable.  One side says that passive sniffers (and other
bugging devices) are undetectable.  The other side says that they are
always detectABLE even if from a practical standpoint, it may be too
expensive (nearly infinitely expensive in some cases) to detect them. 

	From an IW standpoint, the question is whether getting access to
information constitutes an attack, or whether you must then do something
with the information in order to have an attack.  If the latter is the
case, the thing you do to exploit the information gained may make the
attack detectable (dispite efforts to cover up the means of detection).
For some really heated debate over this, we might like to discuss the
Battle of Brittain.
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 14:40:23 +0100
Subject: BosniaLINK 
From: nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)


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Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 11:44:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Sick Puppy 
Subject: Re: IW Mailing List iw/951213

> >From: Alexander Gagin 
> Nuclear weapons are superior to others not because they will kill a lot
> of people, but because they will crash country's economics and make it
> impossible to wage war anymore.  Maybe an even more important thing is

I strongly disagree with you about the impact of nuclear weapons.

A few years ago I came across a confidential World Bank study on the the
effect of increases in the price of oil.  As the projected prices roses
above $100 per barrel and continued climbing, the impact on the US
economy was projected to be several times worse than massive nuclear
strikes against US targets. 

I have watched hackers go from Soviet Universities into Radio Moscow
links and come out in Eastern Europe.  From there they went to Western
Europe, zig-zagged through several systems, crossed to UK, dived into
transalantic links, came out in Virginia USA, zig-zagged across to
California the back to Boston and then had a go at sites (including
mine) from there.  I suspect that these "students" don't share your view
on nuclear warfare either. 

If anyone formerly with SMERSH is reading this list, it would be
interesting to get your view on information warfare, as you were better
at doing things to us than we were at doing things to you.