RE: [iwar] Hello world
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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:10:25 -0500
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Subject: RE: [iwar] Hello world
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To Tony/Rob and all,
Napster is an upgrade from what we did as kids as we got our first tape
players, we listened to the radio stations and taped the songs we liked. We
also borrowed records from friends put them on the player and recorded them
to tape. Is Napster so different, I think and I may be wrong, but it is and
upgraded version of what we did back then, at the time no one put out that
doing so was violating copywrite laws, this was the way to sometimes get the
music you wanted to listen to on one cassette vice listening to 12 cassettes
for 12 different songs.
So in reality and I know some will agree and some will disagree, when you
go to a Bar which has a local house band, they very often play music that
was originally recorded and written by artists that are not in the club you
are currently visiting. Are artists/writers now going to go after every
local house band and say you cannot not play or sing our material as there
is a copywright to it. Most big names/groups at one time started as a local
house band and just grew from there, are they losing that much money in
Napster or is it someone wants more royalties.
Well that was my 2 cents worth, plus a penny for anyone else's thoughts.
Glenn Williamson GIAC
Dept of National Defence
CDN Forces Information Operations Group
Computer Incident Response Team (DND CIRT)
1-877-DND-CIRT
-----Original Message-----
From: Blader Robert G DLVA [mailto:bladerrg@nswc.navy.mil]
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 8:14 AM
To: 'iwar@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [iwar] Hello world
Another Napster anology - suing libraries for permitting patrons to
photocopy material.
Rob Blader
Information System Assurance Office, CD2S
Naval Surface Warfare Center
(540)653-7270
bladerrg@nswc.navy.mil
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Bartoletti [mailto:azb@llnl.gov]
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 3:35 PM
To: iwar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [iwar] Hello world
>I enjoy the occasional contributions of Toni Bartoletti, who puts some
>life into the thing.
Thanks for the kind words, Markus!
I read the list daily, and try to contribute when something hits one of my
"buttons". Recently, the only thing that has irked me is the "Oh
My! Terrorists use the Internet to exchange secret messages!"
revelations. Clearly, we should all stand up and do something about this,
perhaps:
a. Require all terrorists to submit their messages though proper channels.
b. Criminalize the posting of all encrypted or non-ASCII content.
c. Abolish the Internet.
I prefer (c). After all, the Internet is basically a haven for dangerous,
non-conformist, free-thinking "individualist" types, who flaunt the
freedoms it provides to thumb their nose at the hallowed institutions of
conventional wisdom. How can such a medium possibly benefit "society" as a
whole, when it gives individuals such power?
On a less-IWAR-based front (but still, related,) I was a bit dismayed
(though not surprised) at the heaviness of the recent Napster ruling. Yes,
Napster could likely have done more to prevent the blatant appearance of
complicity in copyright infringement, and perhaps 99% of the searchable
listings were of copyrighted works, and that should have been addressed by
Napster early on. What really bothers me about the entire process is that
it seems to preclude what should be a universally available and beneficial
service; coordinating what people are willing to share, in a conveniently
searchable and cross-indexed fashion. Individuals who abuse such a
service, by sharing what they have no right to share, should be the ones
who incur legal hassles, not the "coordinator of references". Otherwise,
we should, by extension, hold the newspaper responsible for not
investigating the veracity of all items listed by individuals in the
classified ads.
I suppose I could argue that newspapers "facilitate the exchange of stolen
car parts."
I think Napster "behaved badly", but the force of the ruling seems mainly
to enforce the notion that "individuals are consumers" and cannot be
legitimate "producers" unless they have a corporate logo and a legal
department. More to the point, individuals who might want to gain
recognition by freely sharing works in an effective "meritocracy" cannot
hope to gain such recognition except by a contract with, and given the
blessings of, a giant media company.
(There, got that off my chest :)
Cheers,
___tony___
Tony Bartoletti 925-422-3881
Information Operations, Warfare and Assurance Center
Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Livermore, CA 94551-9900
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