Return-Path: <sentto-279987-1134-986963057-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:26:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30328 invoked by uid 510); 11 Apr 2001 03:25:18 -0000 Received: from hh.egroups.com (208.50.99.210) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 11 Apr 2001 03:25:18 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-1134-986963057-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.53] by hh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2001 04:24:17 -0000 X-Sender: amicus@well.com X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 11 Apr 2001 04:24:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 4076 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2001 04:24:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2001 04:24:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postal.dn.net) (207.153.221.107) by mta2 with SMTP; 11 Apr 2001 04:24:16 -0000 Received: from home.well.com (pm-59.ppp.wdc.dn.net [207.226.188.59]) by postal.dn.net (111000-jg) with ESMTP id AAA01000 for <iwar@yahoogroups.com>; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 00:24:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010411001712.00d99670@90.0.0.1> X-Sender: director#embassy.org@90.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200104110406.VAA28269@all.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010410212838.00d25c20@90.0.0.1> From: Ross Stapleton-Gray <amicus@well.com> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 00:23:39 -0400 Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [iwar] Difference between IW and RA and Comp Sec etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At 09:06 PM 4/10/01 -0700, you wrote: >A reasonable question might be, how many people with screw drivers will >it take to cause serious harm to the US? I suspect that doing it the way >you are talking about will be infeasible for almost any adversary. I'm not talking about, say, a state-sponsored attack, as much as just wondering what happens if we experience sufficient disruption as to cause people to generally start pilfering from their neighbors... think incidents where, say, copper wiring is being looted for scrap for cash for booze (used to happen all the time in Detroit... one would occasionally see a story about a guy trying it, for the last time, on a live high-tension line). We've an economy like a finely-balanced flywheel, which could wreck itself if given a bad shove. >I think that the real threat lies elsewhere - in people that can come to >understand the way infrastructure works and place their screw drivers in >the right set of places to do large-scale harm at small-scale cost. This >is a far more complex issue. I agree with this, e.g., the threat posed by a thousand minimally-screened techs working in the bowels of all the telcos, any one of which might be bought or blackmailed, into either pilfering data (imagine what one could do with a month's worth of call records from the 212 or 202 area codes, with a little data mining and some other databases to mush into the mix), or queueing up logic bombs. Ross _____________________________________________________________________ Ross Stapleton-Gray TeleDiplomacy, Inc. director@embassy.org 2503 Columbia Pike, Suite 118 Arlington VA 22204 http://www.telediplomacy.com +1 703 685-5197 / 5257 fax ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~-~> Secure your servers with 128-bit SSL encryption! Grab your copy of VeriSign's FREE Guide, "Securing Your Web site for Business." Get it now! http://us.click.yahoo.com/4cW4jC/e.WCAA/bT0EAA/kzAVlB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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