Return-Path: <sentto-279987-1153-988112272-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Tue, 24 Apr 2001 04:38:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 4921 invoked by uid 510); 24 Apr 2001 10:39:11 -0000 Received: from mu.egroups.com (64.211.240.238) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 24 Apr 2001 10:39:11 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-1153-988112272-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.55] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2001 11:37:53 -0000 X-Sender: ozair_rasheed@geocities.com X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 24 Apr 2001 11:37:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 84051 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2001 11:37:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2001 11:37:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.isd.wol.net.pk) (208.242.129.253) by mta1 with SMTP; 24 Apr 2001 11:37:49 -0000 Received: from ozair (host-64-110-87-161.interpacket.net [64.110.87.161]) by mail.isd.wol.net.pk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA01395 for <iwar@yahoogroups.com>; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:28:26 +0500 (PKT) To: <iwar@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <MABBKMMMPGCGIIBCIGGHKECBCKAA.ozair_rasheed@geocities.com> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <OF2659DD1A.2537C51F-ONC1256A18.00450459@hasler.ascom.ch> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Ozair" <ozair_rasheed@geocities.com> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:43:38 +0500 Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [iwar] Spanner in the works! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After waiting for an umpteen e-mails on the subject. I present my final reply, which I wrote the very day I sent my first reply on the subject :-) Regards, Ozair It is a teaser all right, but I guess it should not tease a wrong way. The 85-88 gap is just to make things crystal clear, and at the same time to challenge the world watchers (members of IW think tank) not take into account of the political turmoil in Russia that led to its withdrawal from Afghanistan and subsequent breakup of former Soviet Union into many small states, and at the same time birth of the European Union Concept (late 88, but still within the period), but I have distracted from the main topic relating to IW. If one takes a deep look at what does EU want--one word Greatness equal or better than that of US, make no mistake, EU is in no way lesser than US, technologically, politically and industrially, it may even be better at some fronts, but what it lacks is SIZE and perhaps quantity of resources and of course even an EX-super-power is something to reckon with--a greatness in many ways. The cost for this greatness is EU coffers, and with Germany's Bundesbank going full steam, there is no shortage of cash. I remember reading in the London based fortnightly magazine The Economist about the power that Europe was going to make once it was united, politically and economically, but there was once catch--it did not include Russia (soviet Union) and this was somewhere mid 88 era, thereby I had to exclude it from the scope of the question. Currently EU leaders are meeting at a summit and even BBC noted the inclusion of Putin (adept at applying western media tactics to Russian style government), and a man to learn from. Prior to 1985, Russia (being the champion of Communism and being the bad guy, had not been included in the Europe (note the change from EU to Europe). I hope all of you are not bored with my long preamble. I would like you to visit these sites that I have mentioned below, and then tell me where do you see Russia, Europe or Asia. My choice of these sites were mainly due to their popularity and supposed authenticity as reliability is key to their business. The misconception (please allow me to use this word) presented by www.lonelyplanet.com shows Russia to be a part of Europe, technically making Europe larger than US, now this is something to marvel at. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/default.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/default.stm http://www.lonelyplanet.com/destinations/ -----Original Message----- From: Markus Spindler [mailto:Markus.Spindler@ascom.ch] Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 5:38 PM To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Antwort: [iwar] Just a simple question Nice teaser, Ozair. I figured something like Asia and Europe, ever since they sold Alaska to the US. I think sometime throughout 20th century there were some claims to Antarktika, too, in relation with the science camps. The 85-88 gap thrills me. Waitng impatiently, Markus ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------------ Yahoo! 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