Return-Path: <sentto-279987-1202-989005336-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 04 May 2001 12:43:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28127 invoked by uid 510); 4 May 2001 18:43:17 -0000 Received: from ei.egroups.com (64.211.240.237) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 4 May 2001 18:43:17 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-1202-989005336-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.55] by ei.egroups.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2001 19:42:16 -0000 X-Sender: tony_mht@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 4 May 2001 19:42:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 58005 invoked from network); 4 May 2001 19:42:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 May 2001 19:42:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.15.80) by mta3 with SMTP; 4 May 2001 19:42:08 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 May 2001 21:10:35 -0700 Received: from 63.215.231.3 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 02 May 2001 04:10:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.215.231.3] To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <F80N4MmXKCnzNwRC6Hi00005322@hotmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 May 2001 04:10:35.0523 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6783D30:01C0D2BD] From: "mo haitao" <tony_mht@hotmail.com> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 00:10:35 -0400 Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [iwar] Two report from China Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Recently the reporters have visited ¡°poizonbox¡± and ¡°prophet¡±, two of the most active hackers in the attacking action of Chinese websites. I pick out parts of the conversation. Conversation 1 Reporter: I heard your name recently in the Sino-US hacker conflict. It is reported that you have attacked many Chinese websites. Can you tell me why you do so? PoizonBox: We just do what we like to do. We have not special political intention, we also have not concrete attacking plan. Reporter: Have you read those reports and discourse about you? What is your view about these comments? PoizonBox: There are many inconsistent with the facts. For example, I am actually not an American. Reporter: I learned from an article that you had attacked some British websites. Why you chose British websites as your attacking targets? PoizonBox: I am a hacker. I have my freedom to attack. I think I have right to attack any website. Reporter: Do you only attack those websites outside of US? Why? PoizonBox: Because I have ownership of some US governmental websites. Reporter: It is said that every time you mainly attack the websites only of one country. Why? PoizonBox: No special reason. We are destroyer of network. We only follow our feeling. Reporter: What is the main reason you take part in hacker activity? Just because you like it? PoizonBox: Network attacking is my job, my fancy, and even my life. I need it just like I need water and air. Conversation 2: Reporter: What is your occupation. Prophet: I am a network administrator of an ISP. Reporter: You are friend of PoisonBox. Have you meet? Prophet: Never. We communicate with each other through e-mail. Reporter: What is the standard of your attacking target? Prophet: At first I only chose some websites at random. Now I mainly attack those websites ended with edu.cn or ac.cn. Sometimes I also attack those websites ended with .cn. Reporter: You once said that you did not want to fight a network war. What kind of action do you think you are doing?¡¡ Prophet: I know my attacking action will not bring great negative affection on those target websites. I only modify their homepages. I think this competition only provide an occasion for whose viewpoint being more acceptable by the network users. I don¡¯t hate Chinese government and Chinese people. But I have different opinion with them. I just show my viewpoint to more people. Reporter: Why US hackers can break into Chinese websites so easily? Prophet: I think the quality of Chinese network security administrators are popularly not very high, that is the main reason. Reporter: Do you believe the Chinese hackers will begin a furious network battle from May 1? Prophet: I think they have such plan. It may result in some defacement of US homepages. The number of Chinese hackers is very large now. We should not underestimate their abilities. Reporter: Have the US hackers prepared for it? Prophet: We don¡¯t make a big deal out of it. Of course we will pay attention to the action of Chinese hackers. Reporter: What do you think is the result of this Sino-US competition? Prophet: I think such mutual threat and attack will end quickly. Maybe those hackers getting fun from defacement will be sick of it soon. Maybe the media from both sides will be fed up with the conflicting. http://tech.sina.com.cn/i/w/65559.shtml http://tech.sina.com.cn/i/w/65527.shtml From these two conversations we can find that these hackers have not explicit intention. Actually they don¡¯t care politics. They have no hostility to the opponents. Their motivation sometimes sounds very naïve and unreasonable. It is fortunately because none really like a war. But to those criminologists, such unmotivated crime is most difficult to prevent. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! 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