Re: [iwar] Arab/Israeli "CyberWar" of our own making

From: B.K. DeLong (
Date: 2001-06-11 19:05:31

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Subject: Re: [iwar] Arab/Israeli "CyberWar" of our own making
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At 06:38 PM 06/11/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>Israel knows who is launching attacks from their side, and they include
>reserve military officers over which they have control should they
>choose to exert it.  They do nothing to stop these attacks and they
>clearly have the ability to do so.  This is done as a matter of national
>policy - whether de-facto by ignoring it or explicitly by supporting it.

Oh come on, Fred. That's like saying the US knows every single kid doing a 
DoS attack at any given time. Hell, the NIPC takes months to find these 
people. What makes you think the Israeli government knows who's doing it ?

>While I am here, let's talk about the US and China - same situation as
>far as I can tell.

Nah - I'll dispute that. I spent a lot of time on the primary Chinese-based 
IRC server where this action was being coordinated. I found a handful of 
people who could speak English and were hanging out with l1on and the 
"honker union of China " or HUC, ChinaEagle and Redhackers and asked them 
what the deal was for the 4-8 days of the defacement spree.

 From what I heard (multiple sources) it was a bunch of low-level script 
kiddies retaliating against the US for all the English-speaking hackers 
hitting their sites and that all the "medium to high level hackers" were 
staying out of the whole thing. There was rumblings towards the end of the 
activity that the more experienced hackers would get involved if the US 
kids didn't stop the heavily-racial insults that appeared on defacements of 
high-level Chinese government sites.

I don't believe it was "government sanctioned" or ordered...but you have to 
remember that the Chinese train of thought is that everything is "for the 
government". became a target because they couldn't believe 
such a site was not US government sanctioned.

Most of my thoughts are inline with this commentary (which I posted last 

The Chinese defacers I was in touch with were not reading English-based 
press. Yet it was quite clear the kids attacking China were and stepped up 
attacks in tune with the media coverage. IMNSHO, this whole incident could 
have been ended almost instantly if the US media did not blow it out of 
proportion and feed the egos of English-speaking teens.

B.K. DeLong
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