Return-Path: <sentto-279987-1339-992309902-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:39:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13272 invoked by uid 510); 12 Jun 2001 00:38:57 -0000 Received: from fk.egroups.com (64.211.240.232) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 12 Jun 2001 00:38:57 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-1339-992309902-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.55] by fk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2001 01:38:22 -0000 X-Sender: fc@all.net X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 12 Jun 2001 01:38:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 68713 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2001 01:38:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2001 01:38:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO all.net) (65.0.156.78) by mta1 with SMTP; 12 Jun 2001 01:38:22 -0000 Received: (from fc@localhost) by all.net (8.9.3/8.7.3) id SAA01019 for iwar@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:38:21 -0700 Message-Id: <200106120138.SAA01019@all.net> To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010611115625.00b8e8a0@poptop.llnl.gov> from "Tony Bartoletti" at Jun 11, 2001 12:03:39 PM Organization: I'm not allowed to say X-Mailer: don't even ask X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] From: Fred Cohen <fc@all.net> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:38:21 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [iwar] Arab/Israeli "CyberWar" of our own making Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Per the message sent by Tony Bartoletti: > At 07:40 PM 6/10/01 -0700, you wrote: > >In the PLO vs. Israel conflict some of these things happenned. For example: > I am a bit troubled by "the PLO did...". Perhaps it is true, but there are > also Hamas, and Islamic Jihad, and other fringe groups at work. For > instance, I wonder if the PLO had any knowledge of the recent Disco suicide > bomber before the fact. But as long as it is an anti-Israeli action, it > seems to be labeled "the PLO." (Not that they are angels, mind you.) I think you make an excellent point here - and one that the PLO and others in the region understand well. This is the politics of terrorism. Wait and see how it plays then claim or disclaim credit. The Israelis will say the same thing about the 'hackers' - not sanctioned. My point is that just as the Israelis did nothing to stop the attacks from their side dispite the clear capability to do so - the PLO did nothing to stop these attacks dispite the clear ability to do so. How clear is this 'clear ability'? Good question. The PLO intentionally released these folks from house arrest with the full knowledge of what sorts of things they would do. The continued to not 'rearrest' them when they continued these bombings dispite the clear ability to do so. They started this as a policy after the Shron visit to the Dome of the Rock as a matter of policy and they continued it till the politics shifted. Israel knows who is launching attacks from their side, and they include reserve military officers over which they have control should they choose to exert it. They do nothing to stop these attacks and they clearly have the ability to do so. This is done as a matter of national policy - whether de-facto by ignoring it or explicitly by supporting it. While I am here, let's talk about the US and China - same situation as far as I can tell. FC -- Fred Cohen at Sandia National Laboratories at tel:925-294-2087 fax:925-294-1225 Fred Cohen & Associates: http://all.net - fc@all.net - tel/fax:925-454-0171 Fred Cohen - Practitioner in Residence - The University of New Haven This communication is confidential to the parties it is intended to serve. PGP keys: https://all.net/pgpkeys.html - Have a great day!!! ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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