Re: [iwar] Arab/Israeli "CyberWar" of our own making

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Date: 2001-06-11 21:57:29

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The dillemma here is that all parties in this debate
assume that Arafat still controls the PLO or the
Authority.  This matter is very much in question and
as Fred pointed out, lots of sub-national actors s\are
side actors- playing through -such as the Hamas, or
Islamic Jihad. This only adds to both the confusion
and violence.  This is a very rough "neighborhood" to
live in with alliances shifting all of the time. To
assume Yassar Arafat has his finger on the switch
which creates violence is no longer the case.  Any
Middle eastern specialist will agree and from time to
time plain old international affairs rather than zeros
and ones impace a situation far more that what is
normally discussed in this forum. If you give Intl
affs a plance in this debate, you might create a world
that is closer to real than simply looking at the
cyber side of conflict.

Do not misunderstand. As of now and into the future, 
I do agree that anything from acts of terrorism to
full out war will involve some dimension of
infowarfare. EX IRAQ- Prior to the first bomb being
dropped in the air phase of the Gulf War, Special
Operations teams had infiltrated Bagdad and 1) cut the
fiberoptic line under bridges and rivers to interfere
with Command and Comtrol to Basra and the Rep. Guards,
and 2-the same folks found GYROS usable  only for
ICBMs, sunk in a waterproof bag in the Tigres River(If
not Euphrates).Under a bridge in a river seemed as
though it would be safe and beyond the thoughts of
Coalition thoughts safe bet to Iraq, but it was a bad,
bad idea. IWAR was the first concern of the Gulf War
and while DOD always shows us how inept it is in
security it critical military computing
infrastructure, we made sure that we messed with the
Iraquis defese infrastructure.

Message from Beth russell-not! for atribution


--- Fred Cohen <> wrote:
> Per the message sent by Tony Bartoletti:
> > At 07:40 PM 6/10/01 -0700, you wrote:
> > >In the PLO vs. Israel conflict some of these
> things happenned.  For example:
> > I am a bit troubled by "the PLO did...".  Perhaps
> it is true, but there are 
> > also Hamas, and Islamic Jihad, and other fringe
> groups at work.  For 
> > instance, I wonder if the PLO had any knowledge of
> the recent Disco suicide 
> > bomber before the fact.  But as long as it is an
> anti-Israeli action, it 
> > seems to be labeled "the PLO."  (Not that they are
> angels, mind you.)
> I think you make an excellent point here - and one
> that the PLO and
> others in the region understand well.  This is the
> politics of
> terrorism.  Wait and see how it plays then claim or
> disclaim credit. 
> The Israelis will say the same thing about the
> 'hackers' - not
> sanctioned.  My point is that just as the Israelis
> did nothing to stop
> the attacks from their side dispite the clear
> capability to do so - the
> PLO did nothing to stop these attacks dispite the
> clear ability to do
> so.
> How clear is this 'clear ability'? Good question.
> The PLO intentionally released these folks from
> house arrest with the
> full knowledge of what sorts of things they would
> do.  The continued to
> not 'rearrest' them when they continued these
> bombings dispite the clear
> ability to do so.  They started this as a policy
> after the Shron visit
> to the Dome of the Rock as a matter of policy and
> they continued it till
> the politics shifted. 
> Israel knows who is launching attacks from their
> side, and they include
> reserve military officers over which they have
> control should they
> choose to exert it.  They do nothing to stop these
> attacks and they
> clearly have the ability to do so.  This is done as
> a matter of national
> policy - whether de-facto by ignoring it or
> explicitly by supporting it.
> While I am here, let's talk about the US and China -
> same situation as
> far as I can tell.
> FC Not changing policy is infact very much making
policy.  You have chosen not to change the former. 
Was party to such a problem several years ago.
> --
> Fred Cohen at Sandia National Laboratories at
> tel:925-294-2087 fax:925-294-1225
>   Fred Cohen & Associates: -
> - tel/fax:925-454-0171
>       Fred Cohen - Practitioner in Residence - The
> University of New Haven
>    This communication is confidential to the parties
> it is intended to serve.
> 	PGP keys: - Have a
> great day!!!

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