Return-Path: <sentto-279987-1485-996240565-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 27 Jul 2001 06:30:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 25937 invoked by uid 510); 27 Jul 2001 12:32:00 -0000 Received: from n20.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.70) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 27 Jul 2001 12:32:00 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-1485-996240565-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.52] by c9.egroups.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2001 13:29:28 -0000 X-Sender: Ross.Leo@csoconline.com X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 27 Jul 2001 13:29:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 35941 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 13:28:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 27 Jul 2001 13:28:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fapp05.csoconline.com) (140.169.36.3) by mta2 with SMTP; 27 Jul 2001 13:28:42 -0000 Received: from csoc-mail-msfc.csoconline.com by fapp05.csoconline.com via smtpd (for mta1.onelist.com [208.48.218.7]) with SMTP; 27 Jul 2001 13:26:01 UT Received: by csoc-mail-msfc.csoconline.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <PP98MKM4>; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 08:28:33 -0500 Message-ID: <72222DC86846D411ABD300A0C9EB08A156FCF2@csoc-mail-box.csoconline.com> To: "'iwar@yahoogroups.com'" <iwar@yahoogroups.com> X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) From: "Leo, Ross" <Ross.Leo@csoconline.com> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 08:28:24 -0500 Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [iwar] Chinese IW-one more thought Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I must agree with Fred. A lack of substantial economic resources simply creates the "Mother of Invention" for these folks. With no large state subsidies, they must get creative in their approach, that's all. State endorsement is free (with the non-monetary reward of a "Get out of Jail Fee" card for example). Those who wage IWAR have the same advantages of the stereotypical terrorist - small size, wide dispersement, ability to disappear into a crowd (or be invisible in the first place), and the appearance of great mobility. Finding them, in any sense, is far more difficult than their hiding from us. They have a distinct advantage over us in this way, and the sad fact is we (the US) have provided them with most of the tools they are now using against us. Ross A. Leo Ross A. Leo, CISSP, CBCP Director, IT Security Engineering "Cry havoc! And let slip the dogs of war." Wm. Shakespeare -----Original Message----- From: Fred Cohen [ mailto:fc@all.net <mailto:fc@all.net> ] Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 07:59 To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [iwar] Chinese IW-one more thought Per the message sent by e.r.: ... > Our country needs to learn that the short term notion of why using the > policy that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" never lasts and > eventually comes back in our face. While Russia is still a problem, it > economic fraility limits what they can do in a strategic sense in the > IWAR world. To the contrary - it is exactly why they will use the asymetric advantage of the attacker today in the IWAR world. Lower cost and risk for higher potential gain - plus they have a lot of skill here. FC -- Fred Cohen at Sandia National Laboratories at tel:925-294-2087 fax:925-294-1225 Fred Cohen & Associates: http://all.net <http://all.net> - fc@all.net - tel/fax:925-454-0171 Fred Cohen - Practitioner in Residence - The University of New Haven This communication is confidential to the parties it is intended to serve. PGP keys: https://all.net/pgpkeys.html <https://all.net/pgpkeys.html> - Have a great day!!! ------------------ http://all.net/ <http://all.net/> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Secure your servers with 128-bit SSL encryption! Grab your copy of VeriSign's FREE Guide: "Securing Your Web Site for Business." Get it Now! http://www.verisign.com/cgi-bin/go.cgi?a=n094442340008000 http://us.click.yahoo.com/n7RbFC/zhwCAA/yigFAA/kgFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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