Return-Path: <sentto-279987-1495-996549183-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 30 Jul 2001 20:15:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 25812 invoked by uid 510); 31 Jul 2001 02:15:28 -0000 Received: from n6.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.56) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 31 Jul 2001 02:15:28 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-1495-996549183-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.55] by hm.egroups.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2001 03:13:03 -0000 X-Sender: fastflyer28@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 31 Jul 2001 03:13:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 29340 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2001 03:13:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2001 03:13:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14510.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.224.169) by mta1 with SMTP; 31 Jul 2001 03:13:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20010731031302.24788.qmail@web14510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.78.120.142] by web14510.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Jul 2001 20:13:02 PDT To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <72222DC86846D411ABD300A0C9EB08A156FCF2@csoc-mail-box.csoconline.com> From: "e.r." <fastflyer28@yahoo.com> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 20:13:02 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [iwar] Chinese IW-one more thought Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yes, leo, but a powerfully focused and large computer network primarily out of bejing is what makes them a problem. Unlike western intelligence agencies who send one highly skilled operator out to do a job, the Chinese are very labor intensive and car no if 5 of 6 Iwarriors fail. If the 6th, al in seperate cells succeeds, then they have won the day. --- "Leo, Ross" <Ross.Leo@csoconline.com> wrote: > I must agree with Fred. A lack of substantial economic resources > simply > creates the "Mother of Invention" for these folks. With no large > state > subsidies, they must get creative in their approach, that's all. > State > endorsement is free (with the non-monetary reward of a "Get out of > Jail Fee" > card for example). Those who wage IWAR have the same advantages of > the > stereotypical terrorist - small size, wide dispersement, ability to > disappear into a crowd (or be invisible in the first place), and the > appearance of great mobility. Finding them, in any sense, is far > more > difficult than their hiding from us. They have a distinct advantage > over us > in this way, and the sad fact is we (the US) have provided them with > most of > the tools they are now using against us. > > Ross A. Leo > Ross A. Leo, CISSP, CBCP > Director, IT Security Engineering > > "Cry havoc! And let slip the dogs of war." Wm. Shakespeare > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Cohen [ mailto:fc@all.net <mailto:fc@all.net> ] > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 07:59 > To: iwar@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [iwar] Chinese IW-one more thought > > > Per the message sent by e.r.: > > ... > > Our country needs to learn that the short term notion of why using > the > > policy that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" never lasts and > > eventually comes back in our face. While Russia is still a > problem, it > > economic fraility limits what they can do in a strategic sense in > the > > IWAR world. > > To the contrary - it is exactly why they will use the asymetric > advantage of the attacker today in the IWAR world. Lower cost and > risk > for higher potential gain - plus they have a lot of skill here. > > FC > -- > Fred Cohen at Sandia National Laboratories at tel:925-294-2087 > fax:925-294-1225 > Fred Cohen & Associates: http://all.net <http://all.net> - > fc@all.net - > tel/fax:925-454-0171 > Fred Cohen - Practitioner in Residence - The University of New > Haven > This communication is confidential to the parties it is intended > to > serve. > PGP keys: https://all.net/pgpkeys.html > <https://all.net/pgpkeys.html> - Have a great day!!! > > > ------------------ > http://all.net/ <http://all.net/> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------ Yahoo! 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