Re: [iwar] A Modest Proposal

From: Tony Bartoletti (azb@llnl.gov)
Date: 2001-09-18 19:05:51


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At 01:06 PM 9/18/01 +0000, you wrote:

>Would it be cheaper and more effective to make friends than destroy
>enemies?


  :)

That it were so easy...

Those individuals ruthless enough to carry out last weeks attacks, and 
those sinister enough to support, fund, and profit from such tragedies, are 
not motivated by some lack of appreciation of how nice it is to live in 
America, or under institutions that promote democracy and human 
liberties.  Indeed, it is precisely the contrast that the "west" enjoys, 
vis-a-vis their deplorably living conditions, that motivate these 
attacks.  To what degree their sorry conditions are a function of "their 
own failed systems" or "the west's oppressive policies" is a matter of debate.

But "debate" was not on the minds of those who attacked the World Trade 
Center, and sadly, it is not on the minds of the almost anyone at this point.

The problem we face is complex, in many dimensions.  Just as this "terror 
network" has many different branches, so it has many different roots.

Broadly, I can see a criminal network, motivated by financial gain, being a 
major element in this situation, and exploiting the "radical Islamic" (for 
want of a better catch-all phrase) hatred of US/western policies as the 
instrument of their activities.

What actions punish one will not necessarily punish the other, and what 
appeases one will not necessarily appease the other.

A complex situation, calling for a complex response.

____tony____


Tony Bartoletti 925-422-3881 <azb@llnl.gov>
Information Operations, Warfare and Assurance Center
Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Livermore, CA 94551-9900





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