Return-Path: <sentto-279987-2431-1001603323-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 2349 invoked by uid 510); 27 Sep 2001 15:09:00 -0000 Received: from n25.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.75) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 27 Sep 2001 15:09:00 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-2431-1001603323-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.52] by mv.egroups.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2001 15:08:43 -0000 X-Sender: fastflyer28@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 27 Sep 2001 15:08:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 68036 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2001 15:08:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.4.52 with QMQP; 27 Sep 2001 15:08:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14505.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.224.68) by mta3 with SMTP; 27 Sep 2001 15:08:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20010927150837.43142.qmail@web14505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.78.121.253] by web14505.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:08:37 PDT To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010927100645.059e01f0@brain-stream.com> From: "e.r." <fastflyer28@yahoo.com> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [iwar] Comments on the Dartmouth Security Study Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit suspect actions of kids have cost this cost a great deal of money. Nothing is a joke any longer. --- "B.K. DeLong" <bkdelong@pobox.com> wrote: > At 07:02 AM 09/27/2001 -0700, you wrote: > > > 2. Report of suspicious activity to law enforcement immediately > to > > > facilitate the warning and investigative processes (Page 19) > > > >As in (1) above, this is likely to further overburden law > enforcement > >and create an inability to differentiate or respond to the most > >important events. > > Agreed and how do you quantify what should really be reported to law > enforcement? Even prior to said terrorist events there is an > incredible > amount of "suspicious activity", much of which caused by kids and > ex-employees of companies within the US. > > > I must say, scanning through this report I am QUITE disappointed with > all > the "events" pointed out from Israel/Palestine to US - Chinese plane > incident to Kashmir to Yugoslavia. All of which were perpetrated by > script > kiddies in their respective countries. There might have been a few > incidents in the Israel/Palestine conflict that may have been > specifically > targeted but the rest of this is just bullshit kidiot activity. > > If Vatis REALLY wanted to put the fear of god in people he'd mention > in > 1994 when some idiot who thought it might be funny to shut off a > rival > hacker's power hacked into some hydroelectric dam and had access to > the > floodgates. Or perhaps a security system of an airport in Florida > that had > an open dialup without password protection. What about the REAL > infrastructure issues like power, water, etc? Why aren't we hearing > real > stories about that? Besides the California Power grid being stumbled > upon? > Or the age-old story of the kid who got into the ATC system of a > Worcester > airport? > > All the stuff referenced in the four "conflicts" we primarily Web > site > defacements and DDoSs of non-critical networks....sometimes > individual Web > servers. The biggest DDoS to date was that of Feb 2000 - and it > wasn't > even conflict related. The worm viruses referenced most likely had > nothing > to do with the conflicts themselves - they merely took advantage of > the > fact that the incidents were in people's minds as they were in the > news and > were simply used as a means for getting people to click on the > program to > launch the worm.... > > Unbelievable - this report may have worse of an effect in regards to > justifying US kiddies activity than the "Wag the Delio" incident that > > prolonged the US/China spree. > > -- > B.K. DeLong > bkdelong@pobox.com > 617.877.3271 > > http://www.brain-stream.com Play. > http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org Potter. > http://www.attrition.org Security. > http://www.artemisiabotanicals.com Herb. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com ------------------------ Yahoo! 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