Return-Path: <sentto-279987-2454-1001629939-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:33:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 32106 invoked by uid 510); 27 Sep 2001 22:32:35 -0000 Received: from n31.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.81) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 27 Sep 2001 22:32:35 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-2454-1001629939-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.1.222] by hp.egroups.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2001 22:32:19 -0000 X-Sender: fc@big.all.net X-Apparently-To: iwar@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 27 Sep 2001 22:32:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 26570 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2001 22:32:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.222 with QMQP; 27 Sep 2001 22:32:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO big.all.net) (65.0.156.78) by mta2 with SMTP; 27 Sep 2001 22:32:17 -0000 Received: (from fc@localhost) by big.all.net (8.9.3/8.7.3) id PAA22295 for iwar@onelist.com; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:32:17 -0700 Message-Id: <200109272232.PAA22295@big.all.net> To: iwar@onelist.com (Information Warfare Mailing List) Organization: I'm not allowed to say X-Mailer: don't even ask X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] From: Fred Cohen <fc@all.net> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:32:17 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [iwar] [fc:Is.FBI.asking.for.data.overload?] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Is FBI asking for data overload? Bush administration request for sweeping law-enforcement powers begs question of how it would handle the information By Ted Bridis and Gary Fields, The Wall Street Journal, 9/27/2001 <a href="http://www.msnbc.com/news/634408.asp?0si">http://www.msnbc.com/news/634408.asp?0si>=- WASHINGTON, Sept. 26 - The Bush administration is pressing Congress to approve the most sweeping expansion of federal law-enforcement authority since the Cold War. But would U.S. officials even know what to do with the deluge of information their new power could make available? IN THE AFTERMATH of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, the president wants broader authority for investigators to conduct wiretaps, monitor the Internet and track foreign students and immigrants. Already, some staunchly conservative lawmakers have joined the predictable chorus of civil libertarians protesting the measures as too extreme, even for these troubled times. Yet even if the president gets his way, it could give rise to one of the classic problems of the information age: The capacity to produce oceans of data often isn't matched by sufficient tools to sort and interpret it. Attorney General John Ashcroft acknowledged in congressional testimony Monday that the proposals now before lawmakers might not have done anything to stop the attack two weeks ago. And senior Justice Department officials have acknowledged in interviews in the days since Sept. 11 that there is some justifiable skepticism about the Federal Bureau of Investigation's ability to handle the massive amounts of information being generated by the current terrorism investigation, let alone head off future attacks. Only two weeks since the mass carnage at the World Trade Center and Pentagon, evidence is emerging that urgent warnings from Washington aren't getting out to all local police. The FBI has distributed lists of people sought for questioning in the hijacking-terrorism case, and other advisories, such as orders to ground crop-dusting planes that could be used in chemical or biological attacks. Explosives manufacturers and makers and retailers of guns have been cautioned to watch their inventories. Justice Department officials say this vital information is being transmitted to police by means of the National Law Enforcement Telecommunication System, a network of computers and telephone links. But while the affected industries have been told about the advisories, some local law-enforcement agencies aren't getting the word quickly and, in some cases, aren't hearing anything at all, according to executives with the Fraternal Order of Police, which represents nearly 300,000 officers nationally. "I was actually going to call somebody and ask about what's going on," says Sheriff Victor Jones Jr., of Natchitoches Parish, La. Jones, the chief law enforcement executive in a region where crop dusting is common, says, "We haven't heard anything about the delays on crop dusting or about explosives or the list of people they are looking for." In many instances, federal law-enforcement and intelligence agencies have shown they are capable of sifting colossal amounts of data. The National Security Agency, for example, scoops up huge quantities of information gleaned from electronic-surveillance efforts around the globe and winnows it effectively, using potent computer technology. But expanding surveillance authority doesn't necessarily lead to more effective law enforcement. Joshua Dratel, a criminal-defense lawyer familiar with terrorism cases, says the expanded powers being proposed by the White House wouldn't have addressed the fact that the FBI and other federal agencies knew before Sept. 11 that there were at least two people in the country with terrorist backgrounds - but couldn't find them. "This was not the failure of the ability to wiretap a guy; they didn't know where these people were," Dratel says. "To wiretap somebody, you have to find them first." The two men in question, Khalid Al-Midhar and Nawaf Alhamzi, allegedly were aboard two of the planes hijacked Sept. 11. Both had been placed on a "watch list" by the CIA on Aug. 23 because of possible links between them and Osama bin Laden, the alleged mastermind behind the Sept. 11 attacks. The CIA had obtained a videotape of the two men meeting in Malaysia with associates of bin Laden in January 2000. But by the time they were placed on the watch list, they were already in the country. Action on the Bush administration's proposed bill, the Anti-Terrorism Act of 2001, was delayed Monday, after contentious congressional hearings. In comments at FBI headquarters here, President Bush on Tuesday stepped up pressure on lawmakers, saying of his proposals: "They are measured requests, they are responsible requests, they are constitutional requests." Vice President Dick Cheney met privately with Senate Republicans and asked for the sweeping legislation to be delivered by Oct. 5 - lightning speed for Congress, given the complicated issues involved. "We don't want to look at a future tragedy and say, 'What could we have done differently?'" one participant in the Capitol Hill meetings quoted Cheney as saying. For Americans with little or no memory of the Red Scares of the 1950s, the administration's proposals may seem jarring. Under the legislation, FBI agents would have far greater leeway to search homes without informing the occupants. Immigrants could be jailed under more circumstances and for longer periods without appearing before a judge. A 1978 anti-espionage law would be broadened in its application to alleged terrorists - and, critics warn, could end up being used against ordinary criminals, as well. And prohibitions on the NSA and Central Intelligence Agency sharing information with domestic law-enforcement agencies, or receiving it from them, would be at least partially dismantled. While some European democracies, such as Spain and Italy, have long accepted much more intrusive surveillance as the price of combating terrorists, many Americans on both the left and right of the political spectrum aren't eager to become more like Spain and Italy. "There are provisions [in the administration bill] that change decades, if not centuries, of Fourth Amendment law," says Rep. Bob Barr, a conservative Georgia Republican, referring to the constitutional protection against unreasonable searches and seizures. "We have to operate under the presumption that whatever we pass now will be with us for the foreseeable future." In the face of mounting political opposition, the White House Tuesday was already beginning to backtrack quietly on some of its most-contentious proposals. In closed-door meetings with members and staff of the House Judiciary Committee, senior Bush Justice Department officials tentatively agreed to drop a provision that would have allowed U.S. prosecutors to use evidence collected by foreign governments in a manner that violated U.S. law, according to participants. Find company symbol at CNBC on MSN Money Data: CNBC on MSN Money and S&P Comstock 20 min.delay Under another proposal being considered Tuesday night, all of the enhanced surveillance capabilities that the bill would give law-enforcement personnel would phase out after December 2003. Negotiators from both sides were still weighing that idea, participants said. Ashcroft on Tuesday testified before a Senate panel that he opposed any "automatic sunset" of the proposed legislation. However these negotiations are ultimately resolved, the question of what practical use law-enforcement agencies would make of their new authority hangs over the Bush bill. There have been several cases over the years that illustrate the data-overload problem facing law enforcement. Just this year, the Justice Department had to delay the execution of Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh when FBI field offices around the country that had gathered evidence discovered that hundreds of documents that were supposed to have been turned over to defense lawyers during the McVeigh trial hadn't been. The FBI attributed the situation to a failure to manage its information, rather than intentional concealment. In a separate case, the FBI obtained wiretap evidence on Wadih el Hage in Kenya from July 1996 to August 1997 and heard dozens of his conversations. El Hage was convicted this year for his role in the 1998 bombing of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, but investigators didn't pick up enough information beforehand to avert those bloody attacks. Wiretaps, says Dratel, who represented el Hage, are "not a panacea. No one can say, 'As long as we have this authority, it won't happen again.'" If the Bush proposals are enacted, it won't be the first time that individual rights and privacy are sacrificed in the face of war or crisis. In the frenzied aftermath of World War I, the government launched the infamous Palmer Raids, which resulted in the prosecution and deportation of large numbers of aliens based on shaky or incomplete evidence. In 1940, the Smith Act required aliens to register with law-enforcement agencies and be fingerprinted. A decade later, with the Cold War beginning to intensify, the Internal Security Act was approved, forcing any organization linked to communism to register with the attorney general. The act helped trigger the anti-communist hysteria that reached a fever pitch during the McCarthy period, when accused and actual members of communist organizations were blacklisted from both private and government jobs and often denied passports. Critics of the Bush proposals say they are most disturbed by the government's efforts to expand the 1978 anti-espionage law in a way that would loosen restrictions on wiretaps and surveillance in a potentially wide array of criminal cases. The role of a special federal surveillance court established by the 1978 law would broaden, these critics point out. Justice Department records show that since 1999, that court, which consists of seven federal judges from around the country, has approved 1,891 requests for electronic surveillance or searches, without turning down a single one. Ashcroft has countered that the administration merely seeks "to meet the challenge of terrorism within our borders and targeted at our friends and neighbors with the same careful regard for the constitutional rights of Americans and for all human beings." The attorney general asserts that investigators effectively already have much of the authority the administration seeks to establish more clearly. Federal prosecutors, for example, have argued in court - often successfully - that decades-old laws long interpreted to permit telephone surveillance should now be read to allow monitoring of the Internet. The administration's proposal would explicitly permit U.S. investigators to do things they do already, such as using the government's "Carnivore" Internet surveillance software to determine where a person might be sending e-mail. Still, Ashcroft says, clarifying the broad reach of the law is important. "Law-enforcement tools created decades ago were crafted for rotary telephones, not e-mail, the Internet, mobile communications and voicemail," he told Congress this week. "I regret to inform you that we are today sending our troops into the modern field of battle with antique weapons." Some of the toughest provisions of the anti-terrorism package would fall on immigrants. The Immigration and Naturalization Service already has great flexibility about whom to allow into the country, and since Sept. 11, the agency has begun to exercise those powers more aggressively. On the long border with Canada, where travelers previously were stopped for only a brief check, there are now long lines and more-thorough inspections. The INS is also scrutinizing more carefully visa requests from foreign nationals who want to work, travel or study in the U.S. The provision prompting the most concern among immigration advocates would give the attorney general the ability to certify immigrants as terrorists and hold them indefinitely - until the attorney general decides they are no longer a threat. The government can detain suspected terrorists under current law but generally can do so only as part of a deportation hearing or criminal proceeding. Michael Maggio, a Washington-based attorney, says this provision is "un-American and probably unconstitutional. We're talking about holding people indefinitely here. In America, people get locked up based on the evidence." Steven R. Valentine, a former immigration official in the administration of George H.W. Bush, counters that, in fact, "aliens don't have the same due-process rights as citizens. Obviously, you couldn't do this to a citizen." From a practical standpoint, Valentine says, the country is left with few alternatives. "For a lot of terrorist cells, their purpose is to be here and to be ready to be called to action. Are we just supposed to let them stay in this dormant state until bin Laden asks them to do something? I don't think so." Chris Adams and Yochi J. Dreazen contributed to this article Copyright © 2001 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Pinpoint the right security solution for your company- Learn how to add 128- bit encryption and to authenticate your web site with VeriSign's FREE guide! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yQix2C/33_CAA/yigFAA/kgFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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