Return-Path: <sentto-279987-2566-1001986091-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 01 Oct 2001 18:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 22545 invoked by uid 510); 2 Oct 2001 01:28:19 -0000 Received: from n8.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.58) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 2 Oct 2001 01:28:19 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-2566-1001986091-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.55] by n8.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2001 01:28:11 -0000 X-Sender: azb@llnl.gov X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 2 Oct 2001 01:28:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 2567 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2001 01:28:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2001 01:28:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-1.llnl.gov) (128.115.250.81) by mta3 with SMTP; 2 Oct 2001 01:28:03 -0000 Received: from poptop.llnl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-1.llnl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3/LLNL-gateway-1.0) with ESMTP id SAA12377; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 18:28:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from catalyst.llnl.gov (catalyst.llnl.gov [128.115.222.68]) by poptop.llnl.gov (8.8.8/LLNL-3.0.2/pop.llnl.gov-5.1) with ESMTP id SAA28714; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 18:28:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011001175925.00bc0b80@poptop.llnl.gov> X-Sender: e048786@poptop.llnl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200110010528.WAA20377@big.all.net> From: Tony Bartoletti <azb@llnl.gov> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 18:29:52 -0700 Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [iwar] [fc:Why.America.has.Already.Lost.the.War] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At 10:28 PM 9/30/01 -0700, you wrote: >Why America has Already Lost the War >by Moshe Feiglin Let us hope, despite past and possible future terrorist attacks upon the US, that we never become as embittered and defeatist as this individual. It is not easy, as the thread of these many posts paint a bleak picture of the struggle ahead. A mere 1% of Islam is in no way "mainstream Islam", yet it is some 10 million people, and if 10 million people are hell-bent on your destruction, you have a serious problem. It servers no purpose, however, to identify this 1% as "Islamic" or somehow endemic to Islamic thought. That simply plays into the hands of the "apocalyptics", who, by the way, come in a variety of flavors. To treat this as a "Clash of Civilizations", pitting the "turn-the-other-cheek Christians" against the "swift-justice Muslims", whose only resolution is to meld the two back into the "wholeness of Judaism" is trite and simplistic. The idea that the destruction of holy mosques will put the fear of Allah into anyone and contribute to a resolution is as desperate as it is inane. But the world must take note of one very cold conclusion: Those individuals who would slaughter 6000 civilians in the hope of creating a "perfect state" are exactly those individuals who, given sufficient capability (read: nukes), would blithely kill 600,000, or 600 million, to achieve the same "perfect" end. Deny the apocalyptics their mad dream. ____tony____ Tony Bartoletti 925-422-3881 <azb@llnl.gov> Information Operations, Warfare and Assurance Center Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Livermore, CA 94551-9900 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Get your FREE VeriSign guide to security solutions for your web site: encrypting transactions, securing intranets, and more! http://us.click.yahoo.com/UnN2wB/m5_CAA/yigFAA/kgFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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