Return-Path: <sentto-279987-2674-1002172031-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Wed, 03 Oct 2001 22:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23826 invoked by uid 510); 4 Oct 2001 05:09:17 -0000 Received: from n15.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.65) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 4 Oct 2001 05:09:17 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-2674-1002172031-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.1.224] by n15.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2001 05:09:13 -0000 X-Sender: fc@big.all.net X-Apparently-To: iwar@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 4 Oct 2001 05:07:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 51248 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2001 05:07:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.224 with QMQP; 4 Oct 2001 05:07:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO big.all.net) (65.0.156.78) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Oct 2001 05:09:12 -0000 Received: (from fc@localhost) by big.all.net (8.9.3/8.7.3) id WAA24257 for iwar@onelist.com; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:09:12 -0700 Message-Id: <200110040509.WAA24257@big.all.net> To: iwar@onelist.com (Information Warfare Mailing List) Organization: I'm not allowed to say X-Mailer: don't even ask X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] From: Fred Cohen <fc@all.net> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:09:12 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [iwar] [fc:Typical.Islamic.Chat.Board.Response] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit US Foreign Policy - Blowing Up Into Its Own Face... Posted by xxxx on 10/3/2001, 10:33 am This is War America started, Bin Laden is not the cause of this neither did he start it. Bin Laden had nothing to do with the attacks and he made this clear in his statement. The Americans have not provided any Concrete EVIDENCE against him. Bin Laden is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, a principle both Islam and the West share. But obviously the West, change rhe rules when it comes to Muslims. To say the Evidence is "classified" is no excuse either... The West can ask for anyone they like, then use the "classified" excuse as a pretext not to provide evidence! The fact of the matter is America started this by supporting Occupiers like Israel, and bringing in its troops into the Arabian Peninsula and establishing bases in order to enforce its military presence. America's exploitative and militant Foreign Policy, is the cause and America started this. America knows Islam's position on its actions, and the fact that America should not be present on Muslim Soil and even more so in Arabia the land of the Two Holiest Mosques, according to Islamic Law. Many Scholars and Islamic Movements have made this clear, not just Bin Laden. The presence of America and its Allies(UK), on Muslim Soil is an act of Aggression and Occupation. They can end everything, and stop retaliation by Islamic Movements ans stop the so-called "terrorism" by simply leaving the Muslim World. The ball is in the court of America and its Allies. Close down your Bases and send your Troops, Tanks, Jets and Ships - and go back home! That is all America has to do to end everything, their will be no bombs, no terrorism, no war. Leave Muslims Alone! Bugger Off! Otherwise there will be World War III... The Real Terrorists Posted by xxxxx on 10/1/2001, 3:57 pm Terrorism is using violence or threatening to use violence in order to achieve your political or ideological goals (according to some newer definitions includes religion). According to this Definition America would be what we call a "State-Terrorist". America uses force and violence to secure Economic-Interests as per its Ideology i.e. Capitalism. America also uses its Military to interfere in internal affairs of other countries, and hence uses violence to secure its own political causes. American and British troops are in the Middle-East to secure their Ideological/Capitalist and Political Interests. They merely use violence and threats to secure the Oil Fields and Protect the Gulf Regimes from internal Coup d'etat from Islamic elements in order to stop the rise of an Oil-Rich Super-State based on the Islamic Ideology. Now it is doing exactly the same in Pakistan and Afghanistan in order to prevent the birth of an Islamic Nuclear Power. The Americans wish to control Central Asia like the Middle-East, in order to establish a Military Presence in order to quell Islamic Uprising and create a block against the Chinese. It is State-Terrorism in order to achieve Global Dictatorship! America wants to chase the Taliban and Bin Laden regardless of who was really responsible... The intelligence, expertese & training required - fit the likes of MOSSAD and the CIA, rather than a bunch of bombers. If we go by America's so-called evidence, then America harboured the Terrorists & America Trained the Terrorists - it was self inflicted damage! It is not "Bin Ladin Terror Camps" that are responsible but it is "American Flight Schools". The US harboured these guys, the US trained these guys, and the US(according to its own philosophy) paid the price. This is one issue where the Zionists have successfully pulled off, an attack on America... Then made the entire World Public Opinion turn against "Islamic Extremism". The American military and government is being manipulated. They are being drawn into a 'Jihad' that will not last weeks, but years! The only true beneficiaries of this attack on America (to date and taking full advantage of) are the Israeli's! A crisis such as this is a perfect excuse for Israel to crush Palestine and I wouldn't put it past Sharon's administration to assault the civilian population of an ally to achieve his aims. ------------------------ Yahoo! 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