[iwar] [fc:Typical.Islamic.Chat.Board.Response]

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      US Foreign Policy - Blowing Up Into Its Own Face...

Posted by xxxx on 10/3/2001, 10:33 am

This is War America started, Bin Laden is not the cause of this neither
did he start it. 

Bin Laden had nothing to do with the attacks and he made this clear in
his statement.  The Americans have not provided any Concrete EVIDENCE
against him.  Bin Laden is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, a principle
both Islam and the West share. 

But obviously the West, change rhe rules when it comes to Muslims.  To
say the Evidence is "classified" is no excuse either...  The West can
ask for anyone they like, then use the "classified" excuse as a pretext
not to provide evidence!

The fact of the matter is America started this by supporting Occupiers
like Israel, and bringing in its troops into the Arabian Peninsula and
establishing bases in order to enforce its military presence. 

America's exploitative and militant Foreign Policy, is the cause and
America started this. 

America knows Islam's position on its actions, and the fact that America
should not be present on Muslim Soil and even more so in Arabia the land
of the Two Holiest Mosques, according to Islamic Law.  Many Scholars and
Islamic Movements have made this clear, not just Bin Laden. 

The presence of America and its Allies(UK), on Muslim Soil is an act of
Aggression and Occupation.  They can end everything, and stop
retaliation by Islamic Movements ans stop the so-called "terrorism" by
simply leaving the Muslim World. 

The ball is in the court of America and its Allies.  Close down your
Bases and send your Troops, Tanks, Jets and Ships - and go back home!

That is all America has to do to end everything, their will be no bombs,
no terrorism, no war.  Leave Muslims Alone! Bugger Off!

Otherwise there will be World War III... 









The Real Terrorists

Posted by xxxxx on 10/1/2001, 3:57 pm

Terrorism is using violence or threatening to use violence in order to
achieve your political or ideological goals (according to some newer
definitions includes religion). 

According to this Definition America would be what we call a
"State-Terrorist".  America uses force and violence to secure
Economic-Interests as per its Ideology i.e.  Capitalism.  America also
uses its Military to interfere in internal affairs of other countries,
and hence uses violence to secure its own political causes.  American
and British troops are in the Middle-East to secure their
Ideological/Capitalist and Political Interests.  They merely use
violence and threats to secure the Oil Fields and Protect the Gulf
Regimes from internal Coup d'etat from Islamic elements in order to stop
the rise of an Oil-Rich Super-State based on the Islamic Ideology. 

Now it is doing exactly the same in Pakistan and Afghanistan in order to
prevent the birth of an Islamic Nuclear Power.  The Americans wish to
control Central Asia like the Middle-East, in order to establish a
Military Presence in order to quell Islamic Uprising and create a block
against the Chinese. 

It is State-Terrorism in order to achieve Global Dictatorship! America
wants to chase the Taliban and Bin Laden regardless of who was really
responsible...  The intelligence, expertese &amp; training required -
fit the likes of MOSSAD and the CIA, rather than a bunch of bombers.  If
we go by America's so-called evidence, then America harboured the
Terrorists &amp; America Trained the Terrorists - it was self inflicted
damage!

It is not "Bin Ladin Terror Camps" that are responsible but it is
"American Flight Schools".  The US harboured these guys, the US trained
these guys, and the US(according to its own philosophy) paid the price. 

This is one issue where the Zionists have successfully pulled off, an
attack on America...  Then made the entire World Public Opinion turn
against "Islamic Extremism". 

The American military and government is being manipulated.  They are
being drawn into a 'Jihad' that will not last weeks, but years!

The only true beneficiaries of this attack on America (to date and
taking full advantage of) are the Israeli's!

A crisis such as this is a perfect excuse for Israel to crush Palestine
and I wouldn't put it past Sharon's administration to assault the
civilian population of an ally to achieve his aims. 


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