Return-Path: <sentto-279987-2964-1003173562-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 15 Oct 2001 12:20:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19416 invoked by uid 510); 15 Oct 2001 19:19:07 -0000 Received: from n7.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.57) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 15 Oct 2001 19:19:07 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-2964-1003173562-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.54] by n7.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2001 19:19:23 -0000 X-Sender: Ross.Leo@csoconline.com X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 15 Oct 2001 19:19:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 31140 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2001 19:19:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2001 19:19:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO csoc-fire1.csoconline.com) (140.169.2.142) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Oct 2001 19:19:21 -0000 Received: from csoc-mail-imc.csoconline.com by csoc-fire1.csoconline.com via smtpd (for mta1.onelist.com [208.48.218.7]) with SMTP; 15 Oct 2001 19:19:21 UT Received: by csoc-mail-imc.csoconline.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <497HV9S4>; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:19:09 -0500 Message-ID: <72222DC86846D411ABD300A0C9EB08A1079C2FD5@csoc-mail-box.csoconline.com> To: "'iwar@yahoogroups.com'" <iwar@yahoogroups.com> X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) From: "Leo, Ross" <Ross.Leo@csoconline.com> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:19:30 -0500 Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [iwar] [fc:House.panel.bravely.thwarts.terrorists-.by.banning .Net-gambling] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nothing new here, eh? It is an established fact that those, like OBL, who do these things, like OBL and his ilk, are adept at justifying what they do and how they raise the funds to support their activities: it is for God or Allah (or whatever the group's name for their deity is). IT doesn't matter if it is gambling, drugs, arms sales, or any other of a host of questionable means - anything can be justified in the name of [insert deity name here]. Every religious group since Time began has done this time and again. It boils down to "since the non-believers are infidels, the great unsaved masses (or whatever), they don't count, and anything you do to them, or anything you do to support your fight against them is okay with God". (Must be nice to have a direct line to God's office...) None of the major religions of the world support (and in fact deny) such fallacious thinking, when looked at in each one's entirety. Those who have done this take some part out of context that supports their particular warped view, and uses it like a club. OBL & Co. is doing the very same thing now - Islamic scholars have said as much, and denounced the way he has perverted their faith to support his personal militaristic cause. -----Original Message----- From: Tony Bartoletti [mailto:azb@llnl.gov] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 13:23 To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [iwar] [fc:House.panel.bravely.thwarts.terrorists-.by.banning.Net-gambling] bin Laden may not be any fan of gambling, drugs, or other "western vices" himself, but it is quite plain that a great many shady, quasi-military operations, on all points of the geopolitical spectrum, have exploited the money-flows of major gambling centers and drug money to provide financial cover. I would wager ;) that the al Qaeda "middle-men" are no different in this regard. ____tony____ At 03:30 PM 10/13/01 -0700, you wrote: ><a >href="http://www.wired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,47518,00.html">http://www.w ired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,47518,00.html</a> > >Terror Bill Limits Gambling, Too >By Declan McCullagh (<a >href="mailto:declan@wired.com?Subject=Re:%20(ai)%20House%20panel%20bravely% 20thwarts%20terrorists-%20by%20banning%20Net-gambling%2526In-Reply-To=%2526l t;B7EC749C.18781%25rforno@infowarrior.org">declan@wired.com</a>) >2:00 a.m. Oct. 12, 2001 PDT > >WASHINGTON -- Osama bin Laden is not, according to news reports, a >terribly big fan of Western vices. > >Nor has there been any reliable confirmation that last month's >suicide-hijackers, who completed the bloodiest terrorist attack in >American history, were habitual gamblers. > >But that didn't stop the House Financial Services committee from >voting 62-1 on Thursday for an "anti-terrorism" bill that limits >Internet gambling. > >In the words of Rep. Marge Roukema (R-New Jersey): "We've heard >testimony from the FBI, the Department of Justice, and law enforcement >that there is a clean nexus, a connection, between Internet gambling >and money laundering of terrorism activities." > >The measure has been dubbed the "Financial Anti-Terrorism Act" (PDF), >and it prohibits financial institutions from accepting credit cards, >electronic transfers and checks used in online gambling. Another part >of the 121-page bill gives the Customs Service more power to inspect >packages sent through the mail. > >[...] > > >------------------ >http://all.net/ > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Tony Bartoletti 925-422-3881 <azb@llnl.gov> Information Operations, Warfare and Assurance Center Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Livermore, CA 94551-9900 ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------------ Yahoo! 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