Return-Path: <sentto-279987-3095-1003419303-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 18 Oct 2001 08:36:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18695 invoked by uid 510); 18 Oct 2001 15:34:41 -0000 Received: from n1.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.51) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 18 Oct 2001 15:34:41 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-3095-1003419303-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.52] by n1.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2001 15:35:03 -0000 X-Sender: fc@big.all.net X-Apparently-To: iwar@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 18 Oct 2001 15:35:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 70616 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2001 15:35:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 18 Oct 2001 15:35:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO big.all.net) (65.0.156.78) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Oct 2001 15:35:02 -0000 Received: (from fc@localhost) by big.all.net (8.9.3/8.7.3) id IAA14425 for iwar@onelist.com; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 08:35:02 -0700 Message-Id: <200110181535.IAA14425@big.all.net> To: iwar@onelist.com (Information Warfare Mailing List) Organization: I'm not allowed to say X-Mailer: don't even ask X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] From: Fred Cohen <fc@all.net> X-Yahoo-Profile: fcallnet Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 08:35:01 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [iwar] [fc:Egypt.And.Saudi.Arabia.Won't.Supply.List.Of.Passengers.Flying.To.U.S.] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit New York Times October 18, 2001 Egypt And Saudi Arabia Won't Supply List Of Passengers Flying To U.S. By Robert Pear WASHINGTON, Oct. 17 - Federal officials said today that Saudi Arabia and Egypt had refused to cooperate with American efforts to identify terrorists and other criminals on aircraft flying to the United States. Ninety-four airlines cooperate, but Saudi Arabian Airlines and Egypt Air are among a handful that do not electronically provide passenger lists when planes begin flights to the United States, the officials said. The new customs commissioner, Robert C. Bonner, said airlines should be required to collect and provide names and other basic information about passengers traveling to the United States from abroad. "It should be mandatory," Mr. Bonner said. "It should be a condition for getting landing rights in the United States. We now receive this information on 70 to 80 percent of passengers on arriving international flights. That's unacceptable. We should have the information on 100 percent of passengers." Bush administration officials said they would soon propose such a requirement. The idea has support from members of Congress in both parties, but it has been caught in a parliamentary logjam, with several committees claiming authority. For more than a decade, the United States has been increasing the use of computers to screen passengers before they arrive in this country. Airlines cooperating with federal law enforcement authorities send data electronically to the United States when international flights depart for this country. The Customs Service and the Immigration and Naturalization Service check the names against "watch lists" of suspected terrorists and criminals. Inspectors from the two agencies can then identify high-risk passengers so they and their baggage can be scrutinized more closely after the flights arrive. Airlines participating in this program, known as the Advance Passenger Information System, receive some benefits in return. Most of their passengers can pass more quickly through customs and immigration inspections because the names have already been checked - a task that must otherwise be done by law enforcement officers at American airports, after the flights arrive. The Federal Bureau of Investigation says that most of the hijackers in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks were Saudis. One of the ringleaders, Mohamed Atta, was an Egyptian. A spokesman for the Saudi Embassy said his country was not in any hurry to sign up for the Advance Passenger Information System. "At this time," the spokesman said, "hundreds of Saudi citizens are being detained and questioned with regard to the hijackings. A lot of them are innocent people. That number would probably quadruple if we shared advance information on air passengers with the United States." The spokesman, who discussed the matter on condition of anonymity, said American authorities often mixed up the names of Saudis. Hundreds of Saudis have the same first and last names as some of the hijackers, he said, and some of the hijackers were apparently using stolen identity documents. The Saudi government has hired lawyers for many of its citizens detained in this country, the spokesman said. The Egyptian ambassador, M. Nabil Fahmy, said he did not know why Egypt Air refused to cooperate. "The Egyptian government is the ultimate owner of the airline, but does not manage it," Mr. Fahmy said. "The airline makes its own decisions." He said he thought the advance screening was "a good procedure." Senators Edward M. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts, and Sam Brownback, Republican of Kansas, are writing a bill that would tighten immigration controls to keep terrorists out of the United States. The bill would increase security on the nation's borders and would require airlines to participate in the Advance Passenger Information System. Mr. Kennedy is chairman of the Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration. Mr. Brownback is the senior Republican on the subcommittee. Representative John L. Mica, Republican of Florida, also wants to require airlines to share their passenger lists with the United States government before their planes land here. Mr. Mica, the chairman of the House Transportation Subcommittee on Aviation, is proposing such a requirement in a bill on aviation safety. When airlines participate in the screening program, they provide the Customs Service with information obtained from travelers checking in at foreign airports. The information generally includes the full name, date of birth, nationality and passport number for each passenger. Before a plane's arrival in the United States, the information is checked against the combined federal law enforcement database, the Interagency Border Inspection System, which includes data from the Customs Service, the I.N.S., the F.B.I., the Secret Service and more than 15 other federal agencies. Based on the results of those searches, "we select a few people who we want to reach out and touch," said Harold H. Zagar, chief inspector of the Customs Service at Dulles International Airport. ------------------------ Yahoo! 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