Return-Path: <sentto-279987-3122-1003457365-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 18 Oct 2001 19:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12723 invoked by uid 510); 19 Oct 2001 02:09:02 -0000 Received: from n10.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.60) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 19 Oct 2001 02:09:02 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-3122-1003457365-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.54] by n10.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2001 02:09:25 -0000 X-Sender: fastflyer28@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 19 Oct 2001 02:09:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 76881 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2001 02:09:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2001 02:09:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14509.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.224.168) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Oct 2001 02:09:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20011019020924.16194.qmail@web14509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.78.178.164] by web14509.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 19:09:24 PDT To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011018180832.00bf4550@poptop.llnl.gov> From: "e.r." <fastflyer28@yahoo.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: fastflyer28 Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 19:09:24 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [iwar] tb:Tony.Calls.For.Enhanced.Oversight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tony- If gov. Jim Gilmore(R-VA) is behind, no need to worry-much. He is brain dead when it comes to cyber "stuff", but out of small mind comes the outrageous. --- Tony Bartoletti <azb@llnl.gov> wrote: > At 08:53 AM 10/18/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Governor Calls for 'Cyber Court' > >By Declan McCullagh, Wired News, 10/18/2001 <a > >href="http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,47676,00.html">http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,47676,00.html> > > > >WASHINGTON -- Malicious hackers, look out. > >A government anti-terrorism commission will recommend that Congress > >create a shadowy court to oversee investigations of suspected > computer > >intruders. > > [snip] > > >Congress created the FISA court in 1978 to oversee foreign > intelligence > >investigations that were too sensitive to take through the normal > >process. The FISA judges review the Justice Department's requests > and, > >with the exception of one or two cases, have always approved them. > >Because the FISA court meets in secret, and its orders are sealed, > >subjects are often unaware they're under surveillance. > > I'm very curious about this "orders are sealed" part. > > Clearly, the law must grant *some* provision of oversight, sunset, or > other > mechanism that forces these records and orders into the light. > > If we are to have secret, closed-door FISA proceedings, and (now) > further > expansion of secret surveillance provisions, there really needs to be > an > independent oversight agency created, whose sole purpose and mandate > is to > act as a national repository for all such proceedings and findings, > vested > with the power to disclose such materials according to reasonable > standards. > > When (not if) it turns out that "rogue elements" of certain agencies > abuse > these expanded powers, they must understand that such abuses will be > revealed "within their own lifetimes", and not be able to disappear > forever > into a black hole. > > To ensure that conflict of interest does not taint such measures, the > > oversight agency must be independent both of the agency which sought > to > engage a covert operation, and any court that approved such an > operation. > > If, as many now lament, we live in "different times", and must > acquiesce to > some abridgement of fundamental individual liberties in the name of > security, than so must the government acquiesce to additional > measures of > independent oversight, with teeth. > > ____tony____ > > > Tony Bartoletti 925-422-3881 <azb@llnl.gov> > Information Operations, Warfare and Assurance Center > Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory > Livermore, CA 94551-9900 > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Pinpoint the right security solution for your company- Learn how to add 128- bit encryption and to authenticate your web site with VeriSign's FREE guide! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yQix2C/33_CAA/yigFAA/kgFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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