Return-Path: <sentto-279987-3116-1003455059-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:32:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11082 invoked by uid 510); 19 Oct 2001 01:30:37 -0000 Received: from n9.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.59) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 19 Oct 2001 01:30:37 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-3116-1003455059-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.56] by n9.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2001 01:30:59 -0000 X-Sender: azb@llnl.gov X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 19 Oct 2001 01:30:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 65297 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2001 01:30:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2001 01:30:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-1.llnl.gov) (128.115.250.81) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Oct 2001 01:30:58 -0000 Received: from poptop.llnl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-1.llnl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3/LLNL-gateway-1.0) with ESMTP id SAA19484 for <iwar@yahoogroups.com>; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:30:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from catalyst.llnl.gov (catalyst.llnl.gov [128.115.222.68]) by poptop.llnl.gov (8.8.8/LLNL-3.0.2/pop.llnl.gov-5.1) with ESMTP id SAA28851 for <iwar@yahoogroups.com>; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:30:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011018180832.00bf4550@poptop.llnl.gov> X-Sender: e048786@poptop.llnl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200110181553.IAA14865@big.all.net> From: Tony Bartoletti <azb@llnl.gov> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:33:47 -0700 Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [iwar] tb:Tony.Calls.For.Enhanced.Oversight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At 08:53 AM 10/18/01 -0700, you wrote: >Governor Calls for 'Cyber Court' >By Declan McCullagh, Wired News, 10/18/2001 <a >href="http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,47676,00.html">http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,47676,00.html> > >WASHINGTON -- Malicious hackers, look out. >A government anti-terrorism commission will recommend that Congress >create a shadowy court to oversee investigations of suspected computer >intruders. [snip] >Congress created the FISA court in 1978 to oversee foreign intelligence >investigations that were too sensitive to take through the normal >process. The FISA judges review the Justice Department's requests and, >with the exception of one or two cases, have always approved them. >Because the FISA court meets in secret, and its orders are sealed, >subjects are often unaware they're under surveillance. I'm very curious about this "orders are sealed" part. Clearly, the law must grant *some* provision of oversight, sunset, or other mechanism that forces these records and orders into the light. If we are to have secret, closed-door FISA proceedings, and (now) further expansion of secret surveillance provisions, there really needs to be an independent oversight agency created, whose sole purpose and mandate is to act as a national repository for all such proceedings and findings, vested with the power to disclose such materials according to reasonable standards. When (not if) it turns out that "rogue elements" of certain agencies abuse these expanded powers, they must understand that such abuses will be revealed "within their own lifetimes", and not be able to disappear forever into a black hole. To ensure that conflict of interest does not taint such measures, the oversight agency must be independent both of the agency which sought to engage a covert operation, and any court that approved such an operation. If, as many now lament, we live in "different times", and must acquiesce to some abridgement of fundamental individual liberties in the name of security, than so must the government acquiesce to additional measures of independent oversight, with teeth. ____tony____ Tony Bartoletti 925-422-3881 <azb@llnl.gov> Information Operations, Warfare and Assurance Center Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Livermore, CA 94551-9900 ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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