Return-Path: <sentto-279987-3168-1003554009-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 19 Oct 2001 22:02:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 1250 invoked by uid 510); 20 Oct 2001 04:59:44 -0000 Received: from n16.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.66) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 20 Oct 2001 04:59:44 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-3168-1003554009-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.1.223] by n16.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2001 05:00:05 -0000 X-Sender: fastflyer28@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 20 Oct 2001 05:00:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 20927 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2001 05:00:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.223 with QMQP; 20 Oct 2001 05:00:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14502.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.224.65) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Oct 2001 05:00:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20011020050008.1010.qmail@web14502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.78.120.228] by web14502.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 22:00:08 PDT To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011019113108.00c18610@poptop.llnl.gov> From: "e.r." <fastflyer28@yahoo.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: fastflyer28 Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 22:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [iwar] tb:Tony.Calls.For.Enhanced.Oversight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The matter of auditing it a tough question. Given that this court acts on many national security related matters, an audit may not be possible and folks on the bench do not take auditing well unless they are under investigation. Between very few laws on the books, the oversight is left to the people below. That office in Justice that essentially does intel oversight may be the best actor if to stop abuse of the court if it occurs. --- Tony Bartoletti <azb@llnl.gov> wrote: > Another point... > > At 09:40 AM 10/19/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Tony- In theory, the PFIAB and the Supreme Court and in really nasty > >situations, HPSCI and SSCI do the job. The Justice Dept has an > >intelligence "referee" to legally kick butts if the intel court is > >abused, or uses its power in an abusive manner. > > The "great bulk" of fishing that may become legitimized under new > legislation will likely be from the mass of low-level personnel who > can > simply flash a badge and state "official investigation" to gain > access to > our lives. I doubt that even one percent of that material will ever > see > the inside of an "intel court". What are/will-be the laws that > ensure such > broad powers will be auditable to any effect? > > ____tony____ > > > > Tony Bartoletti 925-422-3881 <azb@llnl.gov> > Information Operations, Warfare and Assurance Center > Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory > Livermore, CA 94551-9900 > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Get your FREE VeriSign guide to security solutions for your web site: encrypting transactions, securing intranets, and more! http://us.click.yahoo.com/UnN2wB/m5_CAA/yigFAA/kgFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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