Return-Path: <sentto-279987-3237-1003761679-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 22 Oct 2001 07:42:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26619 invoked by uid 510); 22 Oct 2001 14:40:50 -0000 Received: from n12.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.62) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 22 Oct 2001 14:40:50 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-3237-1003761679-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.1.223] by n12.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2001 14:41:20 -0000 X-Sender: fc@red.all.net X-Apparently-To: iwar@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 22 Oct 2001 14:41:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 40256 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2001 14:41:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.223 with QMQP; 22 Oct 2001 14:41:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO red.all.net) (65.0.156.78) by mta3 with SMTP; 22 Oct 2001 14:41:18 -0000 Received: (from fc@localhost) by red.all.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f9MEfZS04935 for iwar@onelist.com; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 07:41:35 -0700 Message-Id: <200110221441.f9MEfZS04935@red.all.net> To: iwar@onelist.com (Information Warfare Mailing List) Organization: I'm not allowed to say X-Mailer: don't even ask X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] From: Fred Cohen <fc@all.net> X-Yahoo-Profile: fcallnet Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 07:41:35 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [iwar] [fc:Rumsfeld.Viewing.the.world.and.`war'.differently] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chicago Tribune October 19, 2001 Rumblings From Rumsfeld Viewing the world and `war' differently By Georgie Anne Geyer, Universal Press Syndicate WASHINGTON -- It is rare, even in the lives of journalists who have covered many wars, for someone to have the chance to hear firsthand a new military view of America's place being explored by a leader in times of war. Yet Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld seemed to be doing just that in an interview here. Looking not so much tired as thinner and even more resolute, the secretary talked about not what the Bush administration had done, but how and why. In his words we are seeing perhaps the beginnings of a new U.S. outlook toward the world and toward war. First, he said, in today's world, you have to get it right from the start, because in a world of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons, you can't make a mistake and try again. "It's an amazing process," he said thoughtfully during this interview in his elegant Pentagon office overlooking the Potomac. For the first time publicly, he was reflecting on the past five weeks that have separated America from its past. "There's always so much you need to do that's immediate: your in-box, your phone ringing . . . "And then there are the other things, like how do you get the case made and set in the beginning so you don't wind up in a cauldron down the line? How do you get [policy] set in the institution? These are very important and require a lot of thought. Assuming the worst, you have to transport yourself three months off when you might be watching TV and see a chemical or biological threat not to hundreds, but to thousands of people. What can you do to see it coming and be prepared to cope with it? "So while you're dealing with the immediate, you have to force yourself to deal with all of those things." He smiled. "One of Rumsfeld's rules is, `You don't have to fall into the potholes that others fell into.' You can't start out with a flawed policy. "So we had to structure it at the outset as a floating coalition with very broad tolerance for what you do or don't do, and how much you want to publicize what countries do. Some countries want to help, but don't want it known." He delineated coherently and comprehensively how one has to think of "defense" today. In essence, defense in a world of terrorist cells in 60 countries and disintegrating states does not mean defending yourself in any classic defensive manner. It requires an aggressive, but extremely well-planned offensive as well as preventive outreach. "I remember being in Beirut when they blew up the Marines in the 1980s," he said, leaning back in his chair. "First we put up blockades. They threw bombs over them. Finally, we hung a big wire mesh over the American embassy to protect it--and that didn't work, either. With self-defense today, you have to take the fight to them. Some people think this is something you can start or stop, but the fact is that you don't have a large margin for error when you're talking about nuclear weapons. I don't think you have a choice." He paused. "But the image is hard for people," he admitted. The reality was even harder for him on Sept. 11. "I had been at a breakfast here with a bunch of congressmen," he recalled, "and we were talking about the Social Security `lockbox' and the need for additional defense money for asymmetric warfare." He noted to the group how, since he had chaired the presidential missile defense commission three years ago, India and Pakistan had tested nuclear weapons and North Korea had sent off advanced missiles toward Japan. "I said that morning, `As sure as we sit here, there'll be another.' Then I walked in here and someone said, `Turn on the TV ...' " Today, he says of the campaign that he directs as head of the most powerful military the world has ever known, "I think it's working. The pressure is being applied through the financial. A pile of people have been arrested. Out of all of the exchange of information has come more information--and more and more arrests. Anything we can do raises the costs and reduces the recruits [for the terrorists]. "But it isn't very visible. We're watching Afghanistan and seeing scraps from the ground. Some groups are not being as active for the Taliban and some want to come over. Maybe that's not all permanent, no question. But the air war, which in a classic sense has had a limited effect, proportionally has not been trivial. "At what stage are we? Oh, we're only in the beginning. . . . You could put a bubble around Afghanistan, and the networks would still be there. In fact, the extent to which it gets personalized is probably misleading, because the problem of weapons of mass destruction is too immediate and too urgent, and there are too many countries involved in harboring terrorists and tolerating them." Rumsfeld reiterated that this was a war not against Islam, but against terrorism. He spoke of the need, militarily, to "think globally." The morning of our interview, news came out regarding the idea of a global military command that would work across regions. And he spoke feelingly of what a terrible shock the events of Sept. 11 were because of our historical experience of "oceans to both sides and friends in Mexico and Canada." One could almost hear the intellectual and moral gears of rational change shifting in this remarkable man as, drawing on his experience and lifelong study, he explained how he sees America today in a different relationship to the rest of the world. It's odd. When he was chosen for this position, many thought he was a man of the past. Instead, this leader who is facing the greatest U.S. conflict since World War II is turning out to be a man of the future. Georgie Anne Geyer is a syndicated columnist based in Washington, D.C. ------------------------ Yahoo! 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