Return-Path: <sentto-279987-3353-1003899612-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:02:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20679 invoked by uid 510); 24 Oct 2001 04:59:39 -0000 Received: from n15.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.65) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 24 Oct 2001 04:59:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-3353-1003899612-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.53] by n15.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2001 05:00:08 -0000 X-Sender: fastflyer28@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 24 Oct 2001 05:00:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 29505 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2001 05:00:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2001 05:00:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14506.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.224.69) by mta2 with SMTP; 24 Oct 2001 05:00:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20011024050010.31045.qmail@web14506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.78.123.7] by web14506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:00:10 PDT To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011023114539.00c18100@poptop.llnl.gov> From: "e.r." <fastflyer28@yahoo.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: fastflyer28 Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [iwar] them's fightin' words Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The voice of equanimity has a good point-as per usual. --- Tony Bartoletti <azb@llnl.gov> wrote: > The heart of my comments is in the recognition that the inflammatory > rhetoric came from a "sports figure". He is right to be chastised > for > speech that incites violence or hatred, but "back-attacks" are often > a poor > mix of attacking both the form of speech and the elements that may > (or may > not) underlie it. > > When a human intends to convey their learned beliefs, they must deal > both > with the issues they attempt to raise, and the manner in which they > have > learned to speak. > > It is the responsibility of rational people to distinguish these two > elements, on both the speaking, and listening parties. > > > ____tony____ > > At 11:30 AM 10/23/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Per the message sent by Tony Bartoletti: > > > > > At 05:41 PM 10/22/01 -0700, you wrote: > > > >I DON'T CARE IF THIS GUY PLAYS RACQUETBALL WITH THE GODS. NO > ONE WHO > > > >IS AN INNOCENT DESERVES TO BE MURDERED BY FALSE PROPHESY. TO > WRITE THIS > > > > > [snip] > > > > > No need to shout. > >... > > > >I am unconvinced. Sometimes there is a need to shout and this may > be the > >time. > > > >All of this quiet soft-spoken garbage gets to me now and then too. > I > >think a bit of rage in this case is well justified. It may well be > time > >for the US to stop being so quiet and start taking more boisterous > >positions on some issues. Not a cowboy response - but rather an all > out > >assault on those who promulgate hatred in their rhetoric - starting > at > >home... with extremists on both sides of the political line. > >Unfortunately, Bush cannot do it because it is the right wing > extremists > >in the US who put him in place and the left wing extremists who > provided > >fodder for the fire that allowed him to claim morality. > > > >Only getting started... > > > >FC > > > Do Continue! :) > > ___tony___ > > > > Tony Bartoletti 925-422-3881 <azb@llnl.gov> > Information Operations, Warfare and Assurance Center > Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory > Livermore, CA 94551-9900 > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Pinpoint the right security solution for your company- Learn how to add 128- bit encryption and to authenticate your web site with VeriSign's FREE guide! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yQix2C/33_CAA/yigFAA/kgFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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