Return-Path: <sentto-279987-3328-1003863337-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:57:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30146 invoked by uid 510); 23 Oct 2001 18:55:06 -0000 Received: from n34.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.84) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 23 Oct 2001 18:55:06 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-3328-1003863337-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.55] by n34.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2001 18:55:37 -0000 X-Sender: azb@llnl.gov X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 23 Oct 2001 18:55:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 39267 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2001 18:55:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2001 18:55:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-2.llnl.gov) (128.115.250.82) by mta3 with SMTP; 23 Oct 2001 18:55:35 -0000 Received: from poptop.llnl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-2.llnl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3/LLNL-gateway-1.0) with ESMTP id LAA27274 for <iwar@yahoogroups.com>; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:55:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from catalyst.llnl.gov (catalyst.llnl.gov [128.115.222.68]) by poptop.llnl.gov (8.8.8/LLNL-3.0.2/pop.llnl.gov-5.1) with ESMTP id LAA17878 for <iwar@yahoogroups.com>; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:55:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011023114539.00c18100@poptop.llnl.gov> X-Sender: e048786@poptop.llnl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200110231830.f9NIUaO23588@red.all.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011023102644.00c36c00@poptop.llnl.gov> From: Tony Bartoletti <azb@llnl.gov> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:58:16 -0700 Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [iwar] them's fightin' words Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The heart of my comments is in the recognition that the inflammatory rhetoric came from a "sports figure". He is right to be chastised for speech that incites violence or hatred, but "back-attacks" are often a poor mix of attacking both the form of speech and the elements that may (or may not) underlie it. When a human intends to convey their learned beliefs, they must deal both with the issues they attempt to raise, and the manner in which they have learned to speak. It is the responsibility of rational people to distinguish these two elements, on both the speaking, and listening parties. ____tony____ At 11:30 AM 10/23/01 -0700, you wrote: >Per the message sent by Tony Bartoletti: > > > At 05:41 PM 10/22/01 -0700, you wrote: > > >I DON'T CARE IF THIS GUY PLAYS RACQUETBALL WITH THE GODS. NO ONE WHO > > >IS AN INNOCENT DESERVES TO BE MURDERED BY FALSE PROPHESY. TO WRITE THIS > > > [snip] > > > No need to shout. >... > >I am unconvinced. Sometimes there is a need to shout and this may be the >time. > >All of this quiet soft-spoken garbage gets to me now and then too. I >think a bit of rage in this case is well justified. It may well be time >for the US to stop being so quiet and start taking more boisterous >positions on some issues. Not a cowboy response - but rather an all out >assault on those who promulgate hatred in their rhetoric - starting at >home... with extremists on both sides of the political line. >Unfortunately, Bush cannot do it because it is the right wing extremists >in the US who put him in place and the left wing extremists who provided >fodder for the fire that allowed him to claim morality. > >Only getting started... > >FC Do Continue! :) ___tony___ Tony Bartoletti 925-422-3881 <azb@llnl.gov> Information Operations, Warfare and Assurance Center Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Livermore, CA 94551-9900 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Pinpoint the right security solution for your company- Learn how to add 128- bit encryption and to authenticate your web site with VeriSign's FREE guide! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yQix2C/33_CAA/yigFAA/kgFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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