Return-Path: <sentto-279987-3571-1004349920-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 29 Oct 2001 02:07:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 24409 invoked by uid 510); 29 Oct 2001 10:04:43 -0000 Received: from n5.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.55) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 10:04:43 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-3571-1004349920-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.54] by n5.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2001 10:05:21 -0000 X-Sender: bajwa@i91.net.in X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Oct 2001 10:05:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 59257 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 10:05:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2001 10:05:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.i91.net.in) (203.200.97.98) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 10:05:15 -0000 Received: from m2c4s9 (ra6.i91.net.in [203.200.97.116]) by mail.i91.net.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA25116 for <iwar@yahoogroups.com>; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:36:31 +0530 Message-ID: <009801c16061$a837adc0$361510ac@m2c4s9> To: <iwar@yahoogroups.com> References: <200110282011.f9SKBNY02570@red.all.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Mandeep Singh Bajwa" <bajwa@i91.net.in> X-Yahoo-Profile: mandeep_bajwa Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:27:50 +0530 Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [iwar] [fc:Bin.Laden's.sister.implicates.Arab.royals] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is some truth in the allegations about Saudi royalty financing terrorism. This has noticeably been seen in support to the terrorists in Kashmir. Of course its difficult to prove beyond any reasonable doubt because of the elaborate system of cut-outs involved. ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Cohen To: Information Warfare Mailing List Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 1:41 AM Subject: [iwar] [fc:Bin.Laden's.sister.implicates.Arab.royals] Bin Laden's sister implicates Arab royals http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2001/10/28/stiusausa01008.html? Nick Fielding The sister-in-law of Osama Bin Laden has outraged members of the family after claiming that they and sections of the Saudi royal family gave financial backing to the terrorist leader. In the first interview by a member of the publicity-shy clan, Carmen Bin Laden, who is involved in a protracted divorce battle with one of Osama's brothers, turned on her relatives, who in turn strongly denied her allegations. Asked if members of the family had helped finance the Al-Qaeda leader, she said: "My opinion is yes . . . I think they would say, 'Okay, this is for Islam.' They would give. For Islam, they would give." She added: "What I have heard is he has the backing of some of the royal family. They think the same way. Not all of them, but some of them. You have to understand, I think in Saudi Arabia Osama Bin Laden has a little following. And in my opinion, this is what makes him dangerous. Because he has . . . the backing of a lot of people there." The frank airing of family affairs was sparked by a televised interview on ABC News with Carmen, who is married to Osama's brother Yeslam, one of the most senior members of the Bin Laden family. Now living in Geneva, Carmen, of Swiss-Iranian parents, is estranged from Yeslam, who has extensive business interests in Switzerland, where he runs the Saudi Investment Corporation. The couple, who have two children, split up 11 years ago and she has had little contact with the family in Saudi Arabia. In the interview, Carmen describes her first meeting with Osama: "I knew he was religious because he was the only brother who would refuse to see me [because she was not a traditional Saudi woman]. This was how Osama was at that time." However, she said she did not hate her former husband's brother. "I don't like him [but] I cannot hate somebody. Hate, for me, it's a terrible thing. He hates people and look what he has become." Osama, she said, became a hero after he returned from Afghanistan at the end of the 1980s. "In the family, in everybody in Saudi Arabia, the society, everybody, he was considered as a hero. He was the religious one. There are others who are religious, too, not to the extent of him. Osama has become more radical to the West. But I think there are some of his brothers who were religious, who would think the way Osama is saying." Yesterday her version of events was challenged by a close friend of Yeslam Bin Laden. Speaking from France, the friend, who wishes to remain anonymous, said Carmen was motivated by her desire to achieve a divorce settlement. "Carmen, who I have known for many years, is in the middle of a divorce with Yeslam. I think this explains what she is saying." He said Carmen's mother had originally rented a house from Yeslam and that was how he had met her. Her father came from the Dufour family of Geneva. "She is trying to put pressure on the family and take advantage of the present situation. "There is no truth at all in what she was saying about the family supporting Osama. The Bin Laden family is very close to the USA. In Saudi Arabia and Africa it owns the franchise for Hard Rock Cafe and Yeslam himself is a major investor in Carlyle Corporation, which is a big defence contractor." Further detail about the family also emerged this week in a book, The Fighter from Mecca, by Khaled Khalil Asaad, a Saudi writer. It says Bin Laden's mother was not Syrian, as many believe, but came from the same village in south Yemen as his father, Mohammed. His paternal influence, however, was short-lived. Mohammed died in an air crash when Osama was 13. King Saud then realised the family company, the Bin Laden Organisation, needed special protection. He issued a decree to create a council of guardians to manage the organisation, take care of the 57 sons and daughters, and protect and invest their wealth. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! 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